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First off , I would like to thank everyone for their help in advance. I have been trying to get my survival spec dps up for a few weeks now with no luck.
I start off with my starter macro which includes hunters mark , and send pet. Then I do ba , ss, es, as with a steady shot thrown in durind cd's. All the hunters on my server I ask give different advice , which usually leads me to more and more confusion. So I ended up here. Please let me know what other info I need to give u. Thanks!
June 21, 2008
If I were you, I'd switch to Marksmanship. Your present gear has a lot of haste and armor pen – both good stats for MM, but not so great for SV. You also happen to have 2/5 T9, which benefits marks a lot more than it does SV. I'd also suggest replacing your haste gems and enchants with agility or agility/crit (in yellow gem slots). You'll get more from the added crit and attack power than you will from the little bit of extra speed.
The priority for MM:
- Serpent Sting
- Chimera Shot
- Aimed Shot
- Arcane Shot
- Steady Shot
You're at close to 400 armor pen, so you may even be able to omit Arcane from the rotation altogether. In that case, all you'll need to worry about is weaving steadies in while Chimera Shot and Aimed Shot are off of cooldown, only utilizing arcane if you happen to be moving a lot.
Apart from that, just make sure to reapply Serpent Sting if it happens to fall off for whatever reason (target switching, etc...), or if you get your buffs cooking. Chimera Shot refreshes the current sting, so if you reapply it while you have some good buffs procced, then you can maintain a very powerful sting throughout the fight.
Anyway... hope that helps some.
Here's a good spec for you to try: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#.....Aox00b:fAi
May 29, 2010
Gar has it summed up well. Some things I would add:
(1) As an Engineer you can do http://www.wowhead.com/spell=55002 to your cloak.
(2) Drop a http://www.wowhead.com/spell=56478 on your crossbow.
(3) Find someone that can do http://www.wowhead.com/spell=44633 to both your melee weapons.
(4) Again, Engineering you can put http://www.wowhead.com/spell=55016 on your boots.
(5) Replace your current glyphs with Serpent Sting, Kill Shot and Steady Shot.
I'd disagree with the above. I've had to point out many times that SV pays off more at a lower gear level than MM. Since you don't even have the passive arpen (400) to make dropping arcane shot from your rotation worthwhile it would have probably been better to stick with SV and get the hang of it first. Many, many people recommend going MM for raiding but do so way too early. SV is not the fail train much of the internet armchair generals say it is, with it you can CC more with improved traps and wyvern sting, you also bring raid replenishment with hunting party which may be a lot more useful than trying and not succeding at being the top DPS.
It's all about what you prefer to play as, but in many cases people who go MM too early will see a dps drop and would have been better to stick with SV a lot longer. Agility also pays off a lot more for SV and thus lets you reap greater rewards for stacking the +20 agil gems in your better items.
June 21, 2008
I'm definitely not a frontrunner for MM. I'm pretty well decked out in my work clothes (5.9K GS) and still play as a SV hunter.
In looking at his current gear and enchants, he'd have to re-engineer nearly his whle setup to go SV and get full benefit, where as a MM build will see more value from his hasted armor pen gear and expensive AP enchants. Not to mention, as soon as he gets a new bow, MM will be the way to go anyway.
And again… this is coming from a SV hunter.
Coming from a MM hunter, looking at his gear I can tell he wouldn't greatly benefit from the 389 passive arpen on his gear, as that's not really enough for the minimum requirement for dropping arcane. Really no matter which way he goes he's got changes to make, but I think in most cases its much the same stat stacking for both specs, but the gear makes a big difference in how well MM will perform. Especially the weapon white damage. I was MM since lvl 70 but I just can't condone others doing it unless they plan to buy, and be harrassed for using, Rowans Rifle of Silver Bullets until they get a drop from ICC. Despite getting the felgalcier on my second day at , that rifle is much better for MM than survival that I never bothered to use the crossbow other than to prove my point in runs.
Maybe it's just because all I see nowadays is other MM hunters in raids and no SV to help keep me out of viper that little bit longer.
Here's my armory as an example of a MM build: http://www.wowarmory.com/chara.....;cn=Tisana
Arpen isn't all important, and I'd rather use the T10 gloves that I got in a drop for the set bonus than my leathers with arpen for now, but it is important to keep it above 400 to get the most from your piercing shots.
June 21, 2008
I believe you're right in that a lot of inexperienced hunters jump all over MM because they read somewhere that the build is capable of doing the most damage.
My motive for suggesting MM for him was twofold… his current gear lends itself more to the spec (2pc T9, haste, arpen, ap enchants), plus I find it's easier to wrap your head around than SV. That could just be me though, but I feel MM's rotation is pretty straight-forward and easier to manage. SV has more shots to worry about, along with proper management of L'n'L.
All in all, I think SV is the best option for most hunters, barring those epically clad in uber armor pen gears. However, MM may feel smoother and therefore could result in more DPS.
At any rate beeza… just get back to us if you elect to try the MM route and let us know how you're getting on. If it doesn't help you any, then I'll try to get you molded into a fine example of survival huntsmanship.
One note… if you do decide to remain SV, make sure ES is at the top of your priority (behind KS of course). I know BA procs L'n'L and the SerpS gives you the small damage buff, but Explosive Shot should always be fired whenever off cooldown, and never delayed unless you're in the middle of a L'n'L.
MM is pretty straight forward, compared to SV, I'll give you that.
Mark, sting, chimera, aimed, steady x4, lather, rinse, repeat. It also helps to have macro's that combine kill command and silencing shot into your 3 main shots.
SV I found myself being a little more unconventional, letting loose with freezing arrows on the tanks pull path to get L&L procs (or using for CC when unnecessary) at the start of fights, and using BA before aimed and steady to increase thier damage. But then again the only major difference is the L&L procs, which can throw off timing.
Beeza, do what you enjoy. Penetrate things with your arrows and have fun doing it.
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