Topic RSS9:36 pm
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May 29, 2010
OfflineI'm feeling a bit cocky right now, but damnit I've earned it!
I was in WSG and for once it wasn't an Alliance pre-made we were facing and Horde wasn't sucking azz. The Alliance were putting up a good fight though.
Anyways, start of the match we charge off in a big group, but surprisingly at mid-field a big portion of the Horde breaks off to go after the Alliance. A Priest and myself stay with the Shaman who stated he was going to be flag carrier. On my tracking I see a stealther disappear and just knew he was going after me.
The three of us make it to the tunnel and about halfway up the Rogue nails me. I manage to get out of his sap set up, but with no room in the tunnel have a hard time putting distance between us. I'm giving him a run for his money and an Alliance Shaman joins the fight. In an enclosed area, there is no way I'm going to stay alive against these to melee. I go down and the Rogue laughs at me.
Over the past few months I have grown rather tired of a lot of Rogues cockiness. When I was MM they would stun me and I would be done. As BM I've been learning that I can take them on now and dangit, I was going for blood this time.
So for the rest of the match I watched for this Rogue. If I saw him in a group I burned him down. If he jumped me, I burned him down. Every time I did I /spit emote him. At the end of the match the only time I had lost to him was at the start when he had his Shammie friend with him.
3:20 am
Grunt
January 31, 2011
Offline1:18 pm
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September 26, 2010
OfflineSorry to rain on your parade Tak, but I can't condone the /spit for anything other than being an absolute @sshole. So he had a laugh once he got it over you? Move on, and sure target him the rest of the bg, but get over it.
Now, if he had beaten you and /spit on you, that's a different matter.
For mine, I reserve the /spit for those @sswipes that kill you and then camp your corpse. Especially in a group!
Sorry Tak, I agree with most things you contribute, but not this time.
Cheers,
D
8:04 pm
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May 29, 2010
OfflineDarrwyn said:
Sorry to rain on your parade Tak, but I can't condone the /spit for anything other than being an absolute @sshole. So he had a laugh once he got it over you? Move on, and sure target him the rest of the bg, but get over it.
Now, if he had beaten you and /spit on you, that's a different matter.
For mine, I reserve the /spit for those @sswipes that kill you and then camp your corpse. Especially in a group!
Sorry Tak, I agree with most things you contribute, but not this time.
Cheers,
D
I usually don't do this either. I guess I just got carried away. I usually just move on. Most times I only emote when people are doing stuff like graveyard camping and its usually /golfclap.
10:15 am
Veteran
September 26, 2010
Offlinehoops1652 said:
I have a question for ya. I'm also a BM but when I do arenas I get locked down by rogues all the time. If u have any ideas for me please let me know.
I have a macro that I find gives me a little succour, in that if I go down, I go down fighting…
/startattack
/castsequence Bestial Wrath
/castsequence Wing Clip
/cast Disengage
/petdefensive
/petattack
/dash
/rabid
This calls my pet to me, puts him in defensive mode so he will attack whoever is attacking me, he'll go rabid if it's available. If Bestial Wrath becomes available it will break me free, and make my pet even more damaging. And I swipe my assailant with my biga$$ polearm while raking him with Wing Clip until disengage is available…
Or I die.
Cheers
D
Speaking as a guy whose Subtlety Rogue friend routinely drills him with duels–BM vs. Rogue is actually one of the most effective anti-Rogue deterrents, especially if you know when and where to pop Bestial Wrath, Master's Call, Deterrence and your trinket.
For one, the Rogue is effectively dealing with a two-man team, one of which is an A.I. that can be controlled independently of whether you're already sapped or otherwise stunlocked. I've had my pet save me many times from rogues popping out to do their regular rotation after they've sapped me, as long as they're not several levels above me in terms of either toon levels or gear.
Even while stunned I can command my pet to attack my assailant; though I can't pull off neat things like dropping Intimidation on them, I can still have my pet use its abilities. Bonus points if they're disarms (Scorpid, Bird of Prey) or stuns (Bat, Wasp). Toon can't move? No prob. Tell your pet to attack the stealther and buy you some time. Like Darrwyn said, you can just put your pet on Defensive when you feel someone's sneaking around to stunlock you (originally it was Aggressive, but we know where that one went).
A smart rogue will CC your pet and leave you open to a stunlock, which is why Cunning pets are more advisable due to their Bullheaded ability. Keep your Mend Pet on your buddy and try to CC the Rogue yourself as much as possible.
Back to said friend, he always just tends to laugh off MM hunters. Oh, sure, usual high-burst rotation PvP types? He'll just punish them by toying with them before the fight and then staggering his openers, stunlocks, finishing moves and poisons until the target is dead. But a BM hunter actually forces him to play seriously.
Funny anecdote: I once faced off against a rogue who apparently was a noob. As I was defending a node in AB he sapped me, popped out of stealth and tried to capture the flag without actually killing me. It took him maybe 1 second to realize my Chimera was already hitting him with Froststorm Breath and a string of Wolverine Bite criticals despite my inability to move. I think he died when my Sap duration ran out.
If a Tauren Hunter and a Tauren Druid marry and have children, you will end up with BraveStarr and Thirty-Thirty.
12:15 pm
Veteran
September 26, 2010
Offline@Substance 20 Thank you for your insight, gained I take it from more than a few “lessons” from your buddy.
Loved the story about the noob rogue too… why do i always get attacked by pros?… fate I guess.
Cheers,
D
@Darrwyn, thanks.
I guess what I learned from my friend can be boiled down using his words: 30-40% of a Rogue fight is the opener, 50-60% is player skill / experience and 10% is gear (yes, only 10%. Back when GearScore was still a major issue he was able to defeat or otherwise give 4-5kGS players an extremely hard time with a 2K GS toon). If the opponent can neutralize or otherwise disrupt the opener and control the rest of the fight, e.g. by hampering the Rogue's mobility, the game is his.
While I've seen MMs (notably Brang) effectively counter and control Rogue openers and sustaining attacks, BM actually has more tools at his side–because invariably, efficient control of the Hunter's pet is key to countering a Rogue.
SV is also a viable alternative due to the amounts of CC and DoTs at your disposal, just make sure the Rogue can't use Fan of Knives when your Snake Trap has been triggered–Rogues hate snakes and will FoK them at the first opportunity, wasting your trap. I also learned to make sure the Rogue can't Shadowstep out of an Ice Trap, e.g. by taking advantage of the pet that's currently in his face.
If a Tauren Hunter and a Tauren Druid marry and have children, you will end up with BraveStarr and Thirty-Thirty.
11:05 pm
Maggot
September 16, 2011
OfflineActually I took to heart Gar’s spider web based anti-rogue macro and I found it is absolutely incredible at stomping dumb stealthers. See their whole attack plan is to stealth and gank most of the time and web does wonders to hold them in place, destealth them and give you enough time to concussive shot, disengage if needed and bring on the pain. Oh how I love bringing pain 🙂
Kody Croff
7:26 pm
How do you people deal with these fucking Rogues, my ENTIRE fight is that damned 70% Reduced Movement Speed Poison, That is SOOOOOO EASILY applied.
My biggest problem is i can NEVER get the hell away from these butt-monks, With the 4 stuns/cc/snares/retarded legs and their teleport and their In Combat Stealth and their Heal and their ability to make me want to MURDER someone in real life. (The Rogue Player)
1. What the hell am i supposed to do? I use BW and he just wait until it stops then Blinds me and applies Crippling Poison.
OR
2. Does their usual opener and then Cripples me and got to 1.
OR
3 Uses their In Combat Stealth then Go to 2.
I am Rolling a Warrior, just to spite Rogues. I cannot put into words how much i HATE this class.
…..also I just joined…… Hi.
7:53 pm
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May 29, 2010
OfflineSolx said:
How do you people deal with these fucking Rogues, my ENTIRE fight is that damned 70% Reduced Movement Speed Poison, That is SOOOOOO EASILY applied.
My biggest problem is i can NEVER get the hell away from these butt-monks, With the 4 stuns/cc/snares/retarded legs and their teleport and their In Combat Stealth and their Heal and their ability to make me want to MURDER someone in real life. (The Rogue Player)
1. What the hell am i supposed to do? I use BW and he just wait until it stops then Blinds me and applies Crippling Poison.
OR
2. Does their usual opener and then Cripples me and got to 1.
OR
3 Uses their In Combat Stealth then Go to 2.
I am Rolling a Warrior, just to spite Rogues. I cannot put into words how much i HATE this class.
…..also I just joined…… Hi.
I recommend reading through the following post. There is some great advice in it.
9:54 am
Takaas said:
Solx said:
How do you people deal with these fucking Rogues, my ENTIRE fight is that damned 70% Reduced Movement Speed Poison, That is SOOOOOO EASILY applied.
My biggest problem is i can NEVER get the hell away from these butt-monks, With the 4 stuns/cc/snares/retarded legs and their teleport and their In Combat Stealth and their Heal and their ability to make me want to MURDER someone in real life. (The Rogue Player)
1. What the hell am i supposed to do? I use BW and he just wait until it stops then Blinds me and applies Crippling Poison.
OR
2. Does their usual opener and then Cripples me and got to 1.
OR
3 Uses their In Combat Stealth then Go to 2.
I am Rolling a Warrior, just to spite Rogues. I cannot put into words how much i HATE this class.
…..also I just joined…… Hi.
I recommend reading through the following post. There is some great advice in it.
/forum/arena/what-would-you-ask-a-gladiator-bm-hunter/
^.
I have beaten some of the best rogues in WoW (3k+ rated) doing basically what I described. Once you understand what to do, the rogue really wont win 1v1 versus a hunter.
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