lawman30 said:
Bigah, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that people need to go to the lengths I did to help someone. But I would hope that a person would help to whatever extent they could and, at the very least, be polite. I gave up the time I did because I, like Gar, do what makes me enjoy the game. Since Cata's release I have been in TWO dungeons and reached the end of niether. I simply don't want to endure the crappy attitudes of people. It bothers me that people with crappy attitudes poison the minds of new players into thinking that the game won't be fun for them if they don't know everything about it and aren't in the gear grind.
F DAT!
I truly enjoy the comraderie that Gar has cultivated here in the Lodge. It is one of the very few places I have ever participated in the forums where there isn't rampant/regular forum bashing. I would never post what I posted on the official WoW forums because I would be flamed to a crisp and my charred remains trolled to dust. I believe a better class of player comes here and I hope to remind those with an open mind that, like Gar says, there is more to the game than the grind. Have fun yourself and help others have fun, too.
I can agree with you that people certainly do need to be more polite, and a hell of a lot more patient at that.
I also see where you and Garwulf are coming from about playing at your own pace, and enjoying the game the way you want. That's exactly how it should be. Me for example, I'm level 85, I specced whatever talents I wanted, I have no glyphs and my professions are severely lacking. Do I care? Nah! All that matters is that I'm having fun.
It's a shame there's not much more people like the ones we have here who see it like we do.
Garwulf said:
I just want to say...
We have an awesome assemblage of people here, don't we. 🙂
I love the vibe of this forum. Positive, and at the same time, very honest.
Makes me glad I sat down in Oct of '08 and finally decided to create this place. 🙂
Well said Gar, well said.
Lawman you are my new hero. I too try to help whenever possible but i will have to say it is mostly with my guildies. if asked by another player i usally try to give the best answer i can or i will try and find out through my guild if someone can give me a hand in explaining something to someone. I consider my self a noob and always will i too play the game for relaxation (not saying i have not gotten totally pi$$ed a few times) but as anyone within my little world will tell you i have always tried to help whenever i can i have leveled several professions (jc,scribe,mining skinning,enchanter, herbalism,alchemy and now leveling LW) and use every one of them to help the people around me. for a long time i would not even take tips because i always fiqured that it made me feel better to do it. I would literally cancel the trade so that i would not get the tip. I have only been playing about a year and a half or so. I have always enjoyed being called a noob i do not know why but i look at it like it is just a game and who really cares. odds are i will never see the person who is calling names so i do not stress about it.
Hell my son can take my hunter using my shot rotation and somehow increase dps by at least 2-3k. i don't he is younger and faster and making decisions and that is what i try to remember about most of the people playing this game.
My hats off to you and what you have done.
Yag
Great story and nice to know that there are real human beings playing this game. Thanks for sharing it and making me aware that this site actually had forums (herp derp) and inspiring me to take the time to register.
Great story lawman, I enjoy helping others, but I've never gone that far might in the future though. As someone else said, you're my new hero.
Garwulf said:
I just want to say...
We have an awesome assemblage of people here, don't we. 🙂
I love the vibe of this forum. Positive, and at the same time, very honest.
Makes me glad I sat down in Oct of '08 and finally decided to create this place. 🙂
Gar, I've loved this site since I found it, I never ask a question or make a dumb (to me) comment and leave feeling that I wasn't helped. This is a great group of people, and I often refer hunters to this site, especially those staring out. I think a lot of the vibe and positive attitude starts on the front page, with the help you offer people, and just your general style. Thank you for the community!
Well said Gar, well said.
/winks at Sunrift and grins mischievously and says "And we even overlook drunken ramblings that are totally off-character."
hehehee,
Niika,
who's foray into The Lodge was to also pick on Gar for one of his hops-enlightened ramblings as well. Hmmmm... sending a beer-n-hunter theming here... could it be true?
I registered from lurking to reply to this post. Well done, good on you! I've been fortunate to have had players like you assist me along the way and I always try to repay that debt.
I didn't start playing until LK, but I thought I had gotten pretty decent with the class and geared relatively well. When Cata hit, it seemed to turn into an "ever player for themselves" environment. When the "l33ts" were gear grinding I chose to avoid heroics to save my sanity. I was abused by a player in a pug one night and hadn't fired a shot yet. It seems to me like it's starting to settle down, normalcy is returning.
I've had tard moments, sure. Take a shortcut around a staircase and forget to release pet. Ooops! But I've grouped with what could just as easily be called tanktards or healtards but it just doesn't roll off the lips as well does it? XD If every run after the first was done with the same players, or the same talent level of players it seems to me it would get boring pretty fast. One of the "mechanics" to fights I enjoy most is seeing what players can do well and working around the things we don't.
I had a similar experience back in Wrath. I was in a random dungeon while leveling my priest and there was a feral druid that was doing horrible dps while wearing cloth gear with int and spirit. People were mocking him and I felt bad. He saw that I had BoA gear and asked me in whispers if I knew anything about feral druids. As it happened my main in Wrath was a feral druid (I'm back to my hunter now...woo hoo!).
He was actually on my server so after the run ended I sent him a group invite from my main and started doing the same things that you did. I went over stat priorities, talent and glyph choices, best practices for doing top dps, helped him make some macros, and then I gave him 1000g, told him to go to the AH and buy the best green/blue gear he could get according to what we had just discussed and then come back for inspection.
He had a couple items that were questionable, we talked about it to make sure he understood. He went back to the AH, bought replacement items, came back and his gear was looking much better. I also helped him enchant his gear properly and explain the benefits of using the best quality gems and enchants once he got to level 80.
All in all I spent over 2 hours helping him out, suggesting addons and macros, pointing him to appropriate websites, and just making sure he understood the basics of WoW. I didn't hear from him again for probably two months and just figured he was doing his thing. Then one day out of the blue I got a /whisper and found out he had just started raiding heroic ICC and was one of the top dps in his guild. He just wanted to thank me for helping him out. I certainly got frustrated a couple of times when I was helping him out, but it sure felt good to know that the time I spent with him ended up changing his whole game experience. He wasn't a bad player, he just needed a push in the right direction and didn't know where to go to find information.
One thing to keep in mind too. Leveling is WAY faster then when I first did it. Because people can blow through it so fast, most aren't learning how to properly play their class/role.
Example. An 85 Hunter recently joined the guild I'm in. Credit to her, she was geared and stuff properly, BUT she freaked out when we asked her to trap a target because she had leveled as BM and never had to trap anything as her pet usually grabbed everything. I took her under my wing and told her what and how to do it, plus showed her a few examples. It took her a few runs to get things working smoothly, but now she is trapping with the best of us.
A lot of Hunters out there seem to think we are just about dps and thats it. I try to correct them on this and show them the error of their ways.
Something to mention also, I never force things on my fellow Hunters. If they ask for advice, I give it to them. If a Hunter seems content with gearing wrong, etc. but are still enjoying themselves, I leave them be.
Those are some good points Takaas, very. Given the short amount of time I've played WoW and speaking with players who have been playing if not since the game's introduction, close to it sounds as though much has changed.
I've experienced firsthand in game a few things you mention. I've seen it on this site. 'I'm level 85, make me good'. I've even tossed up a post or two trying to simplify stuff for people (god help em if they used any of it) and in some cases people simply can't be bothered to read or practice. You can get all the 'help' you want from sites like this and others and the players who frequent them but if you aren't willing to put in the time you'll never be decent. Pretty much like the real world.
Fortunately lawman30 had the pleasure of helping a person who seems to have genuinely needed and wanted it. That was cool.
Niika said:
Well said Gar, well said.
/winks at Sunrift and grins mischievously and says "And we even overlook drunken ramblings that are totally off-character."
hehehee,
Niika,
who's foray into The Lodge was to also pick on Gar for one of his hops-enlightened ramblings as well. Hmmmm... sending a beer-n-hunter theming here... could it be true?
What can we say, Garwulf and I are a couple of elves who like our brew. We drink, we ramble, we fall asleep. No problems here.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy..."
-Benjamin Franklin
Garwulf said:
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy..."
-Benjamin Franklin
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
-Frank Sinatra
Crowlin....way to go!
To all those who made their first post a post in this thread, I think it speaks volumes about your character that you feel strongly enough about helping people that you choose this topic to share your thoughts. Way to go!
Let's each of us carry the good vibe from this thread into the game with us like a breath of fresh air and make Azeroth a better place for everyone.
And if feeling good in game goes with a Guinness in hand, well how bad can that be? =)
Wow. Just wow. Thank you for sharing that with us Lawman 🙂 That was pretty inspiring, along the road I myself ended up getting annoyed at people not playing their class right (even though I make mistakes on my alts a little too often at times) - but when ever I see someone who needs help - I will just think "What Would Lawman Do?" WWLD!! I feel pretty terrible, just this morning a hunter was asking me what was the best spec for PVP - he was level 11 or so - and I just thought really.. You're asking me, you're probably just trolling because obviously it depends on which attacks you have available, when really I should have talked to him for awhile and directed him to this site - but I assumed the worst. Wish I had read your post earlier - I will do my best to help others in the future 🙂