My DPS Still Suks

I've been doing that a lot lately.  I do more then 6k dps generally but not a whole lot more and with really crappy gear.  My main currently is a Shaman but will be switching to BM hunter come cata with guilds approval.  Which is why I'm working on this character atm.

http://www.wowarmory.com/chara.....cn=Podkill

Build wise it's a carbon copy for the PvP spec main and PvE off specs found in the guide on this website.  Infact I pretty much learned almost everything about playing the hunter from the guides on this website.

Differences between our gear it looks like you out gear me by quite a bit.  Several pieces of gear that I use are from PvP spec.  What does PvP gear give you?  AP, AGI, STA.  What are our best dps stats?  Yup you guessed it.  You trade out for the optional 3rd stat for resiliance which while being a wasted stat for things like armor pen that doen't boost your pet.  I'm not seeing a while lot of difference.  Is PvE a hell of a lot better of course!  But when your trying to fill in gaps of 187-226 gear you can't go wrong throwing a 264 PvP item in there till you get a PvE version.

Also while some people have trivilized it, I have found it to make a much more siginificant impact, the use of Attack Power instead of agility gems.  My pet is doing 40% of my total dps.  Your pet can move and attack.  If you are in a LK fight or any of the other ICC fights being able to move and be effective is a must.  If I'm running around getting out of the way of something I still have 30-40% of my DPS going.  But I'd think about regemin and chanting to Attack Power if you can afford it.  The other thing is when the new patch comes out Agi will do 2 Attack power per 1 Agi so then it won't matter.  But that is when 4.X comes out if you want dps now that's how you do it.  When the patch comes out all your Attack power gems all get converted back to agi anyways.

As far as rototation it may not be optimal but I do it very very very simple.  I have a hunters mark pet attack macro.  That goes on the target first.  I use button timers so that will show a time bar if my mark and DoT is up on the current target.  I start on the left and go to the right.  So after the hunters mark comes Serpent Sting.  As long as those two bars are on the target I'm set to go to Arcane shot next.  Arcane shot I have setup as a cool down timer.  So when the bar disapears from arcane shot I know to hit that again so it is always on cool down.  Then I just hold down the spam key for steady shot the rest of the time.  That's the rotation.

Now additional to the above I have a macro setup that clicks kill command, BW, Rapid Fire, all my trinkit clickies etc.  One press of that and everything goes off.  I have a 2nd button timer bard with all the functions that I put on that one key up there with their cool down timers displayed.  When I start on a boss rotation I put the Mark up and then I instantly hit that super dps macro.  then continue with the rotation described above.  Whenever one of the clickies comes off cooldown I instantly click that super do everything macro and hits whatever special ability has come down off of cool down with just one button.

This is probably not the best way to do things but it keeps everything on cool down and all my abilities up the maximum possible time.  My dps I'm really shocked and happy with at the gear level I'm at.  I love out dpsing better geared hunters while sporting the lowest dps spec, with lessor PvE, and some mixed in PvP gear.  After they rip me a new one for showing up to the raid I enjoy returning the favor going okay so my gear and spec sucks what's your excuse?

Pod

Podkill said:

Differences between our gear it looks like you out gear me by quite a bit.  Several pieces of gear that I use are from PvP spec.  What does PvP gear give you?  AP, AGI, STA.  What are our best dps stats?  Yup you guessed it.  You trade out for the optional 3rd stat for resiliance which while being a wasted stat for things like armor pen that doen't boost your pet.  I'm not seeing a while lot of difference.  Is PvE a hell of a lot better of course!  But when your trying to fill in gaps of 187-226 gear you can't go wrong throwing a 264 PvP item in there till you get a PvE version.

With PvP gear your wasting a stat by having resilience. Things such as ArP, while not boosting your pets damage, does boost yours. Yes, a BMs primary damage is their pet, the Hunter themself also needs to be doing damage. As far as the gear level thing goes, it isn't always better to go with the higher level gear score item. While some may "Ooo!" and "Ahh!" over a high gear score, improper gear choice will bring your dps down.

Example: I have  http://www.wowhead.com/item=54566 sitting in the bank collecting dust right now. I am currently sporting http://www.wowhead.com/item=51151 which is giving me better dps because it allows me to get the 2pc set bonus. Does it lower my gear score, oh yeah, BUT my dps is up there with the rest of the Hunters in my group.

Keoke said:

     Well, I thought that I was doing really well with at least 6.2 dps, and even as high as 7.  This in BM too. But someone told me last night, while we were trying to do OS, because they were asking for 6k+ which I was sure I was at…..but nooooo, I was around 3.5 to 4 being generous.  The DPS numbers are overly exaggerated in ICC.  So my question to everyone out there again, is what do I change for higher DPS, while staying in BM, but if I have too, I will reluctantly use MM.  So is there any way to boost my dps to at least 6k+ with what I have now, and hopefully a bow will drop from LDW, but maybe different gems, or enchants?  Please help, this is very frustrating. The pet that I use is Skoll, and MC Corehound.  I hope that is enough info, for someone to give me some useful suggestions.  Here are my stats.  Everyone has been so helpful up to now,  I've done what Gar and various other people have recommended, so 

 

http://www.wowarmory.com/chara.....=Syndicate

 

Oh by the way, not sure if it's important to now, I'm trying to do Raids.  I just want to be in a raid, and have other players, say, wow… Hunters aren't that bad, even in BM spec, it's my dream, lol

My recommendations:

(1) Swap out your Hunter's Mark glyph for Serpent Sting. That will boost your dps by having your serpent sting tick longer.

(2) Wolf or Devilsaur are top dps pets for BM Hunters right now. While very cool, the spirit pets are lower dps in comparison.

(3) Replace the PvP trinket your using. Till you get http://www.wowhead.com/item=50342 to drop for you, I would say go with getting http://www.wowhead.com/item=40684 .

(4) Put a gem in your neck piece.

Here is the armory to a BM Hunter in the guild I am in. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Argent+Dawn&cn=Jumbalaya

He has basically been my mentor in the guild and hits between 7k and 7.5k dps in raids.

 Takaas said:

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With PvP gear your wasting a stat by having resilience. Things such as ArP, while not boosting your pets damage, does boost yours. Yes, a BMs primary damage is their pet, the Hunter themself also needs to be doing damage. As far as the gear level thing goes, it isn't always better to go with the higher level gear score item. While some may "Ooo!" and "Ahh!" over a high gear score, improper gear choice will bring your dps down.

Example: I have  http://www.wowhead.com/item=54566 sitting in the bank collecting dust right now. I am currently sporting http://www.wowhead.com/item=51151 which is giving me better dps because it allows me to get the 2pc set bonus. Does it lower my gear score, oh yeah, BUT my dps is up there with the rest of the Hunters in my group.

Agree 100% even mentioned resilance as a wasted stat.  But you have a few choices.  If you have lower level items 219 or below you can get 264 PvP items that will have more AGI, AP, Crit then what you currently have using PvP gear (ONLY IF REGULAR STATS ARE BETTER) is definitly a viable option to increase your DPS in the short term until you get those raid drops.  But yes ohh heck yes a 264 PvE drop will always be better then a PvP one for PvE content.

Or your other option is to just wear sub par gear until you get better items via raid drops.  Me personally, I like walking in to a raid with the best stats I can possibly have through the gear I can get on my own or with 5 man groups.  Then replace those items with PvE upgrades as I get them.

Pod

I just wanna make one of those "Did you check to see if the cord is plugged into the wall" statements. You say someone told you what your DPS was, do you not have Recount yourself? One of the options in Recount is to merge hunter/pet stats. If this isn't checked, you and you pet's DPS are split, hence the low numbers on your hunter. Is this a possibility?

Kurozu said:

I just wanna make one of those "Did you check to see if the cord is plugged into the wall" statements. You say someone told you what your DPS was, do you not have Recount yourself? One of the options in Recount is to merge hunter/pet stats. If this isn't checked, you and you pet's DPS are split, hence the low numbers on your hunter. Is this a possibility?

I don't recall ever saying someone told me what my dps was.  Please quote if you like.  But anyways I always run with recount and after becoming a BM hunter yes having pets separated from players becomes more of a consern.  Never had that selected till I got the BM to 80.  With only have 2pc T9 one of my recent raids was

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rep.....3ugcpcj8i/

Again nothing great over all but not too shabby with the gear available.  It'll only get better as gear improves.  2pcT10 will be a huge increase etc.

Pod

P.S. Ahh I see that was for Keoke not myself

LOL, yes that was to the OP!

But someone told me last night, while we were trying to do OS, because they were asking for 6k+ which I was sure I was at…..but nooooo, I was around 3.5 to 4 being generous.

 

There's a good chance the person that gave him his score knew the difference, but sometimes you just gotta ask to be sure. You know how many check engine lights are turned off by giving the gas cap a twist? 

Yes I do have recount, and I did double check his numbers with mine. What I meant was that the person told me my score was alot lower, because I was not in ICC, where he mentioned that dps scores are inflated, unlike everywhere else, I was in OS at the time.  I switched out alot of my AP gems, for Agi, gems, and it seems to be better, 600 better on average, but it still is pretty far from 6k+  I finally broke down and got Wodins Lucky Necklace, so hopefully that helps.

Thank you Takaas for that info on your hunter friend, I checked the comparison, and I wonder if it was a mistake last night to change out my alot of my AP gems for AGi gems, I seem to be doing better dps, but it's close.  I'm just wondering if there should be that big of a dps gap between me and him, I did a side by side compare on wow heroes, and we seem to be fairly close in everything, except trinkets, cloak, weapon, lol  But should there be that big of a gap between us, me at 4k, him at 7k to 7.5k There's something else I've got to be missing, my shot rotation, somethings not turned on, lol

Keoke, do you have any combat logs posted anywhere?  it helps to see what shots you are leaning on, where your damage is coming from, etc.  If you have a combat log of a night of raiding, even better...

Sorry Niika, I would have no idea where, how to get that, if you could let me know, I'll see what I can do to pull it up.  I apologize for the lack of knowledge, I'm trying to absorb as much, and as quickly as I can.  I only started playing this Summer.

I know, Keo, and it is totally okay, you have learned a ton over the past couple of months.  Hell, it took me over a year to hit 70, then forever to get 80.  

I post my guild's logs at worldoflogs.com  I'm up there, my dps, damage, all that kind of good stuff.  You can see when i'm having an off week (like last night) and when I really rock (errr.. last week?) and what the differences are.  I use it as one of the raid leaders, as a tool for improvement (our main tank kept dying last night; I check the logs and see that the offtank was way more than the tank, and she didn't need it as much, for instance) or to see what spells you are using most and at what point of the fight (like hunters who rely on Volley kick ass in trash, but kinda flatline on boss fights.)

You capture the information by uploading your /combatlog to your guild's folder.  Ask your raid leader if she or he collects the information.  For me, it is invaluable to see where I am sucking, and where I shine.

      Thank you Niika, I will look into it, it's funny I used to just change out gems and enchants, and hope for the best. It definitely got expensive, lol.  But lo and behold I finally discovered female/dwarf.  Yes I have heard it mentioned time and time again on other post, but when I went to it, it looked waaay too complicated, hahaha.  thats what I said to my kids, when they wanted me to try out WoW.  I said there is no way, I'm gonna understand this game, with a whole keyboard of buttons, and multiple things to remember, etc, numbers and stats and alarms and notices popping up everywhere, lol. I from the PacMan, and Qbert era. Oh I sooo miss fire button, and push joystick up or down, side to......see what I mean, hahaha..  Well I'm finally seeing what I should gem, and what enchants to use to change my dps numbers, with just a click of my mouse.. So sweeet.

      Well maybe next week,  I might just go on down to the Big Store, and buy me one of those new fangled fancy Show Boxes, I think they call them TV's.  I hear you can watch informational programs, and everything is 100% true...........