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September 7, 2010
well i think i am close to done with this game. between all the bugs and changes to hunters i just dont enjoy it anymore. focus sucks! my dps went from 9k to 3.5k as mm in icc. in randoms i used to be able to hit 5.5k now i am lucky to again get 3.5k. frustrated all to hell over all this. alot of time invested in reading and researching and playing to only have my toon set back so far.
May 29, 2010
While it can be frustrating and daunting to face changes, like in real life it happens. You can "go with the flow" and step up to the challenge of learning a new or not. If your no longer enjoying the game, then by all means call it a day. No use frustrating yourself further. However, I think you will be missing out.
i have to agree with Morovent my dps sucks now
i went form almost 10k to like 3 i was piss at that
so right now i am leveling up a rogue he is lv25 and he is doing as much damage as my lv42 hunter
wtf is that about?
i think if we all complain to blizzard to buff up hunters we might be able to change all this non sence
i dont mind the forcus
but i do care bout my dps dropping and Bestial Wrath sucking
May 29, 2010
Focus isn't to blame here. People's dps is lower because Hunter's have to learn to play a new. New gearing/itemizing. New rotations. New pet abilities. We were pretty much revamped. I am seeing Hunter's in my guild doing 8k dps. That is in ICC10 and pretty close to where they were before the patch. Those Hunters are working with the same focus and talents the rest of us are and they found how to make it work. The rest of us just need to figure it out as well.
I'm slowly bringing my dps up in raids. I started down at 3k and now have it up to about 6500. I'm still not at the 8k I was at before the patch, but I see it increase with more and more practise.
A big problem I've seen with some Hunters is, a lot of them got used to practically spamming Volley in heroics and trash mobs in raids, then going "Oooo" and "Ahhh" over ther "uber" dps. Now that Volley is gone, they are qqing about actually having to learn how to play the class. These are the same Hunters that are going to have problems in Cataclysm when they are asked to crowd control and such.
I've been playing a Hunter from the very start of WoW. There has been other big changes along the way like this one. I adjusted and I am a better player because of it. I'm sure the same goes for those like Garwulf, Niika and any others like us. We didn't get where we are by not being open minded and willing to adjust to what is thrown at us. It wasn't easy, but we did it.
I just want to reply and say what a great response that was Takaas. I think we all need some change every now and again, or else, like myself, would be complaining that we do the same thing over and over.
I have only recently started playing again after a long stretch of mediocre MMOs and find these changes refreshing (stopped right before BC, played an Undead Rogue). I can certainly understand the frustration of just grasping a concept and then it gets striped away, so your complaints are warranted. Sort of like how all the Cata gear will make all those long raiding sessions obsolete, but isn't that why we play this game, for the phat loot?
I'm doing alright with BM in ICC, a decent amount better than with my old MM(finally blending in with the middle/upper dps crowd, hehe). I'm a newb hunter though so I am still learning as well. Some people just have it down and sometimes you just have to go up and ask them. If they are rude about it and refuse to help you then that's their problem. There are more experienced hunters out there that should be willing to help out =)
July 3, 2010
There are more experienced hunters out there that should be willing to help out =)
...just like Tak just did. I would like to quietly second and third what he said. Moro and Vent, things have changed to pull the hunter class back to what it used to be; a huge benefit to every group due to the sheer range of talents and offerings of our class. It used to be incumbent on us to help the tank by controlling the mobs, guard the healers and help to control the damage. During ICC runs, Volley Spam launched us to the tops of dps charts, and our innate abilities were trashed, and frankly, hunters got lazy. There is no glamor in topping charts; if all you wish to do is be UberLeetDeeps, then roll a mage or a lock or spriest and scramble for drops and raid spots all in the possibility of raiding.
If, instead, you wish to be an indispensable member of any raid (buffs anyone? Tossable crowd control? AOE damage that you can toss right onto the tank?), along with head-of-the pack dps, then jump in, along with the rest of us. Take a deep breath, step back, and enjoy. Hunters have not been ruined, we've merely had our Commanding Officer snap us back into our formerly elite forces.
Consider us the Navy Seals of Warcraft... we do it all.
May 29, 2010
by any chance you wouldnt no the rotation to MM would u?
plus i read i think in MMOChampion that BM is the s**t in raids?
The top Hunter dps in my guild are BMs, so I don't know what these others are doing wrong that makes them think it's bad. As for MM rotation, there is a post over in the Talents, Builds section of these forums, where others give there input on rotations besides myself:
July 3, 2010
I think he means "is great." Around here, the kids say "is the shizz..." to mean "that is copasetic" or "wicked awesome." yes, Shizz is a euphemism, but pretty sure he thinks it's uberleet. Please correct me if I am wrong, and Tak is not showing his age... :-p
Hunters are not performing that bad in a raid enviroment as they currently are. Do we need some tweaking? Yes, we do. PvP for hunters is more broken than PvE is by far.
I am a MM hunter, another guildy runs SV. We are both doing anywhere from 10-13.5k dps on single target fights in ICC 10/25(even on heavy movement fights). AoE is not where it could be, but I honestly have never worried,nor cared about aoe damage because it takes no skill whatsoever to spam aoe attacks through trash.
The current "feel" of gameplay is very clunky and not fun to me though. The shot rotation/priority can easily get all out of whack during a fight compared to what we are use to.
As MM, the rotation I have been using is something like this....
Serpent......chimera...steadyx3-4....arcanex2-3....chimera..repeat....(use aimed when it procs) I use rapid fire/readiness usually at the start of the fight, and double kill shots when they are up. This rotation does not always line up because of movment and such, but it gives you a general idea of what to try out.
I reforged my gear to move crit/haste and mastery around a bit......I currently sit at 54.8% crit......656 haste rating and 27% chance for wild quiver proc from mastery. Some more tweaking needs to be done i'm sure.
All that being said, we do need help to give us back the fun factor and of course get PvP where it needs to be...Aspect of the Fox is not going "fix" us I dont care what GC or anyone else at Blizz says on that.
1. Focus regen should be tweaked
2. Cost of shots should be lowered slightly
3. Tranq shot and widow venom should cost zero focus (using a global and focus for shots that do no damage at all is just silly)
4. Widow veneom needs to be made undisspellable just like all other MS's are
5. Our signature shots still need tweaking
Now is the time for Blizz to try and get the bugs out, before Cata hits and hopefully they will.
Sorry for the long read and late introduction, my toons name is ranwalk...he is my main and only level .....(if you check armory I will most likely be logged in my PvP gear...I loves me some PvP ) been lurking on the forum for a while, havent posted before. Happy hunting, keep your chins up, better days are ahead (I hope, lol)
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