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11:30 am
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May 6, 2010
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NOTE: I apologize in advance as I am sure this is going to be a lengthy post and I hate feeling like a bandwith hog that causes Gar problems. XO However, I really think the issue is something we all need to be accutely aware of.
So the other night my Gnome priest scribe is in the inn in Telear (sp ?) milling herbs and making inks when a hunter comes up to me and asks "Are you a nice person?" Struck me as sort of an odd question to be getting asked at 1 in the morning but I reply that "I like to think so, yes." The hunter then opens up to me about how she is playing the game for the first time and every single time she goes into a dungeon she gets perpetually mocked by the other party members if they don't outright kick her from the group. She has tried to find help in-game with what her problems might be but no one seems to be able to tell her more than "Your spec sucks." "Your'e a hunter wearing leather so you're a worthless noob." and "Your cat shouldn't be in Prowl." She knows she has problems but that's all the "help" people seem willing to offer her. No constructive advice. No time to help explain why these issues are considered problems. In short, the people she's supposed to be playing the game with are the people that make her not want to play the game at all. She honestly couldn't figure out what so many people found so fun in a game where she was just getting s#!* on.
I HATE running into people like this because I get SO MAD that the same people who are being rude to her once had the same issues and needed the same help, only now they're happier to simply "mock the n00b" instead of help her learn to enjoy the game like they do now (although I really question if anyone who acts like that actually enjoys anything but making fun of people, but I digress).
I asked her if she had time to talk about things and she said she had all the time I would give her. I logged onto my hunter, flew over to Nagrand and got to work helping her so that she could HAVE FUN playing the game! I explained why the mail armor specialization is so boss and that's why she needed to be dresses head to toe in mail armor. I explained what proper itemization of gear was and why it was presumeably sontributing to some people mocking her (i.e. avoid gear with str/spirit/int). I made her mail gear that my hunter could make as a LW to round out her gear. I logged my engineer to make her a new gun. I ran her through the quest chain in Terrokar Forest to get her the helm with 3 sockets and then got her the Northrend-level epic gems to socket it with. Then I took her over to the Ring of Blood to upgrade her staff, explaining along the way why the upgrades were upgrades. By then I was pretty dang tired so I gave her 500g and told her that the next time we were on-line together I would help her with macros (I live and die by the "assist" macro for attacking my tank's target), her spec and even tell her what websites to visit for friendly help with her questions (*cough* huntsmanslodge.com *cough*).
Her and I are now good friends in game. I've offered to let her Q with my priest to shorten her wait time and she has informed me that between the gear upgrades and help with macros people actually compliment her. This person went from damn near wanting to quit the game to loving it like we all love it (even more so cos huntering is just so damn cool!). However, I think about the fact that she was so desperate for a kind reply in-game that her first question to me was "Are you a nice person?" What if I hadn't been? What if I had immediately logged off without saying anything to her cos I didn't want to be bothered or just ignored her alltogether? What if that had caused her to actually quit the game thinking "You know what? To hell with this! The people who play this game are a bunch of condescending jerks and why do I want to waste my precious free time being belittled by them?!"
The point is I think we all have probably had a similar situation and if you haven't, you probably will sometime soon. When someone like this crosses our path, we should step back, recognize that we might be dealing with someone who is this close to quitting the game. Even if they're not a hunter….would you let that happen? Or would you take some time to show this person how great the game and the community can be?
What would you have done?
12:16 pm
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February 24, 2011
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Kudos to you on your response to a fellow hunter. I wish there were more people given that type of response than I see nowadays. I think Cataclysm has made people angry and mean. The fact this game is built upon being a Multiplayer experience makes it all the more important that we at the *very* least tolerate our fellow gamers, though there will always be nastiness and animosity shown to strangers, for no reason other than to be rude.
Had it been me, I likely would've said something fairly sarcastic initially, 'cause that's how I am, lol. But I'm always willing to answer honest questions if I have the time. I mean, I may have replied, "Well, it depends on who's askin'?" or something like that, but it would've depended on which character I was on at the time (yes, Moon Guard is still an RP server.) I don't RP a lot, but I do like to be in character, in public channels anyway.
But I digress- I'd like to think I would've offered much the same advice and assistance as you offered. I'd have certainly helped out with my LW and likely bought gems and enchants to go along with any new items. I love that you explained the WHY of the things you were helping to upgrade as I think that is key for someone who isn't as knowledgeable about the class. We could throw gear and gold at a new player and then shove them back in the LFD queue without any explanation and that would only make the problem worse, imo. "Look, I bet that person bought their Hunter on eBay! Their gear is right but they are terribad!"
I probably would've offered to queue up and tank an instance with her, give her a chance to put into practice what I shared, and I would've offered my time for future questions. I love being a Hunter and the camaraderie others of the same class often seem to share, and will always have a soft spot in my heart for other Hunters, *especially* if I'm playing my Paladin or Shaman or something while interacting with them. I would've suggested that the players mocking/kicking/slamming her were likely NOT Hunters and had no idea about how to play our class, save that maybe her gear wasn't optimized etc. I rarely hear other Hunters calling out, "FAIL Huntard!" to another Hunter, unless it's in jest between friends.
1:35 pm
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December 17, 2009
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During an LFG run one day when I was leveling my Prot Pally, I got a Hunter in the group for SFK. The hunter started off with some typical "huntard" behavior and my initial reaction (internally) was negative. I was polite but I was getting more and more frustrated with the early pulls, lack pet control, etc since I was still learning the tanking business. But then I realized that the Hunter was probably just as new at the art of ranged DPS as I was at tanking. We started chatting and after the SFK run was over, I sat in the final room with her for over an hour talking to her about the fine art of huntering (she was from another server in case this wasn't obvious). I gave her my email in case she had any more questions and she was embarrassingly thankful, thus cementing my feeling like an ass for my initial reaction (although I can honestly say I was never rude to her). I guess this is sort of the pay it forward concept. I had people help me when I was a new WoW player and its only right to pass that on. Kudos to you Lawman. My hat is off.
1:45 pm
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May 6, 2010
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^THESE ARE WHAT I WAS HOPING TO READ!!!
I am SURE that those of us who hang out at the Lodge would step up if the situation presented itself, regardless of what toon we were on and regardless of what class might be asking us the question (although admittedly, if the person looking for help was a shaman I would be able to offer no advice as they don't make gnome shamans and I haven't had a taste of the dwarf vitnage of the class as I am busy with my Gnome priest).
I guess I just want us all to make sure we don't lose sight of why we (and assumedly others) play the game: F U N!
We need to spread this attitude like an infectious disease! If there were an "ambassador of the fun" class, I guarantee it would be Hunters.
2:07 pm
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March 3, 2010
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Man, you should be the law (pun definitely intended). Awesome post and this should really be what the game is all about.
About a year ago, something similar happened to me. I was in a dungeon as BM and from out of nowhere this warrior began mocking my hunter as having low dps, poor gear, and was actually believing I would die soon. I survived of course, and was even higher in the dps meters. But that resentful feeling stayed with me for months. Being kicked is another story but I'm glad that somehow Blizz has begun fixing it.
There's just too many gear vs. gear going around that the sheer joy of enjoying the game is gone. (I guess that's why I rolled a new alt hunter… just to feel less stressed). Maybe WoW grew up to fast too soon that for most people it's all about being topgear-topdps that stress has taken over enjoyment of the game?
2:29 pm
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November 29, 2010
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OMG, I so have to give props where its do! Lawman, the world needs more of that exact thing.
I feel that I am a fairly well rounded player in WOW terms. I spend my time reading and researching all my toons as I would like to play them all better. Hence how I found Huntsmanlodge! I feel that too many people are to hung up on slamming thru the game to get epics, get achivements or get a "insert your drive here" that they forget to look around at a world that is truly awesome with a lot of awesome people in it.
I know on the windrunner server there is a plethoria of humanoids sitting on the atmosphere side of a monitor that while they play extreemly well were never ment for social interaction either via electron or in the flesh.
I appaud you for your time spent and efforts spent with that other player!! /cheer
I can say that from time to time i have met players that equiped gear types because it looked cool or they had a misconception of what the positives were. point in case, most of us have played for years. made the same mistakes and learned from it.
i strive to be a helpful player when i can as do you. lets hope that it will be contageous to others!
Drhealz, windrunner
3:05 pm
While I like the Dungeon Finder for the speed of getting a group together and the fact that I get to run instances I never saw with my hunter main, I think much of the sense of WoW community gets lost these days. I may be dwelling in nostalgia, but it seems like players were more civil to strangers when they were all on the same server and might end up in the same guild some day.
I don't consider myself knowledgable enough to offer much advice to other players, but shortly after Cata came out I ran a PUG with my low-level shaman alt. The tank and healer were from the same guild and both carried serious chips on their shoulders. The poor level 18 hunter was clearly new to everything WoW, and making classic mistakes that lead to the 'huntard' label. Rather than providing any assistance, these two heaped abuse on him and hunters in general. If they hadn't already kicked out another DPS, I'm sure they would have gotten rid of him. I wish I could type faster, because I would have offered better advice than "don't pull until the tank does" 
, but at the end of the fortunately short run I did recommend a couple of sites to learn more about how to be a hunter. The first, of course, was Huntsman's Lodge (WowHead was the other).
I'm glad to know there are still players who will go out of their way to help someone learn to love the class and the game. WoW (and the rest of the world) need more people like you – and I'll do my best to follow in your footsteps, Law!
4:33 pm
I enjoy hearing stories like this and I can definitely understand how someone can get to that state. I would certainly try to help out a player any way I could but unfortunately wouldn't be able to be nearly as helpful as lawman was. I've been playing for several months but still consider myself a noob. I'm personally still trying to overcome the learning curve in Cata heroics and then get into raids, but it's been rather disappointing lately.
I play WoW to have fun and release stress from work. But playing heroics lately, even with guildies, is just too stressful; people are getting pissed off after you wipe on some boss several times, especially if the "cause" focuses around one person, rather than taking a breather and trying to figure out what the problem is and how to solve or workaround it. I've seen way too many people drop/get kicked out of pugs since Cata came out. Blizz has been trying to address this but for a lot of players I think the damage is already done. As a result, I find that I'm mostly just doing dailies and looking for other things to do in the game that don't require dealing with groups. There's going to be some good games coming out this year too so I may take a few breaks from WoW, which is unfortunate really.
Anyway, great stories and it's really good to hear that some people are willing to make the extra effort to help others enjoy the game.
5:14 pm
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June 21, 2008
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One problem I see is that a lot of players allow themselves to get sucked into the grind aspect of the game, making it like a job. Players aren't always running dungeons or BGs because they want to — they're doing it so that they can farm for some piece of loot, currency, etc… Because they're not that excited to be there in the first place, they lash out at anything that's slowing progress, rather than taking a few mins out to offer some good, constructive advice.
I for one, avoid engaging in any sort of "daily grinds". When I log on I do what pleases me. Each time I log on I consider it one enjoyable instance of play. If I feel like doing a daily dungeon or BG, then I do. If I don't, then I skip it.
I see too many players caught up in this mindset of needing to "keep pace" and constantly grind out honor or item currency, yet not really enjoying it. Wtf is that all about..?!
Actually, there's a word for it…
Continually engaging in routine activities out of habit or compulsion is known as addiction.
There are many players that just need to slow down and simply enjoy the game.
6:30 pm
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May 28, 2010
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People seem to forget that they were all noobies at one point. I see this in pretty much any of the games I play in. Just today I was playing DC Universe Online and somebody was running around yelling about how many "trashy" players there are on the server. These people have forgotten how to actually enjoy the games.
If I see someone getting yelled at or picked on because they are a noobie to the game I usually tell them to ingore the idiots and then give that person advice or help.
8:01 pm
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June 14, 2010
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In all truth Lawman, I think you went above and beyond. I have RELATIVES who play this game who I highly doubt would give me the same amount of help that you gave this girl. I haven't had any experiences myself that could relate to yours, but truth be told if this girl had come up to me, I wouldn't have helped quite as much as you did. Lets be honest, I'm certainly not that good of a player. Go to my armory and you'll see what I mean lol, but I probably would have given this girl the best advice I could give and kept it at that. Sure, maybe I would have even helped grind things to help her out, but by no means would I have logged on to a few different toons and made equipment for her. I'm definitely not knocking you for doing it, I'm just lazy, and I wouldn't want to spend that much of my time going that extra mile for her.
I guess maybe the community in this game has me jaded, and it's getting to that "every man for himself" feel.
All in all though, as others as have said, my hat is off to you sir! Nice work. However, be careful on feeding the stray cat, you feed it enough, and it starts expecting to be fed.
9:22 pm
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May 6, 2010
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Bigah, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that people need to go to the lengths I did to help someone. But I would hope that a person would help to whatever extent they could and, at the very least, be polite. I gave up the time I did because I, like Gar, do what makes me enjoy the game. Since Cata's release I have been in TWO dungeons and reached the end of niether. I simply don't want to endure the crappy attitudes of people. It bothers me that people with crappy attitudes poison the minds of new players into thinking that the game won't be fun for them if they don't know everything about it and aren't in the gear grind.
F DAT!
I truly enjoy the comraderie that Gar has cultivated here in the Lodge. It is one of the very few places I have ever participated in the forums where there isn't rampant/regular forum bashing. I would never post what I posted on the official WoW forums because I would be flamed to a crisp and my charred remains trolled to dust. I believe a better class of player comes here and I hope to remind those with an open mind that, like Gar says, there is more to the game than the grind. Have fun yourself and help others have fun, too.
9:49 pm
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April 10, 2010
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That is some righteous playing Law. Righteous.
10:34 pm
hi all,
First of all, I'm Dutchspeaking, so my knowledge of the English is rather limited, but I too try to help new players. Gosh, I do hate the word "noob". Even the most experienced players, with the the best gear in the game, were new and made mistakes. I try to help new players as much as I can. I even went to the AH with a fellow gamer and bought some gear for him.
PuG's are a curse and a blessing, but every time I read that horrible word (noob) in the chat, I step up and defend that new player, or ….. I just leave that group. I don't have the patience some days to read stupid remarks.
Just being polite goes a long way … in WoW and surely in real life.
Warm regards from chocolate paradise,
Houwitser
11:01 pm
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June 21, 2008
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I just want to say…
We have an awesome assemblage of people here, don't we. 
I love the vibe of this forum. Positive, and at the same time, very honest.
Makes me glad I sat down in Oct of '08 and finally decided to create this place.
1:03 am
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June 14, 2010
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lawman30 said:
Bigah, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that people need to go to the lengths I did to help someone. But I would hope that a person would help to whatever extent they could and, at the very least, be polite. I gave up the time I did because I, like Gar, do what makes me enjoy the game. Since Cata's release I have been in TWO dungeons and reached the end of niether. I simply don't want to endure the crappy attitudes of people. It bothers me that people with crappy attitudes poison the minds of new players into thinking that the game won't be fun for them if they don't know everything about it and aren't in the gear grind.
F DAT!
I truly enjoy the comraderie that Gar has cultivated here in the Lodge. It is one of the very few places I have ever participated in the forums where there isn't rampant/regular forum bashing. I would never post what I posted on the official WoW forums because I would be flamed to a crisp and my charred remains trolled to dust. I believe a better class of player comes here and I hope to remind those with an open mind that, like Gar says, there is more to the game than the grind. Have fun yourself and help others have fun, too.
I can agree with you that people certainly do need to be more polite, and a hell of a lot more patient at that.
I also see where you and Garwulf are coming from about playing at your own pace, and enjoying the game the way you want. That's exactly how it should be. Me for example, I'm level 85, I specced whatever talents I wanted, I have no glyphs and my professions are severely lacking. Do I care? Nah! All that matters is that I'm having fun.
It's a shame there's not much more people like the ones we have here who see it like we do.
1:04 am
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June 14, 2010
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Garwulf said:
I just want to say…
We have an awesome assemblage of people here, don't we.
I love the vibe of this forum. Positive, and at the same time, very honest.
Makes me glad I sat down in Oct of '08 and finally decided to create this place.
Well said Gar, well said.
2:01 am
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September 14, 2010
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Lawman you are my new hero. I too try to help whenever possible but i will have to say it is mostly with my guildies. if asked by another player i usally try to give the best answer i can or i will try and find out through my guild if someone can give me a hand in explaining something to someone. I consider my self a noob and always will i too play the game for relaxation (not saying i have not gotten totally pi$$ed a few times) but as anyone within my little world will tell you i have always tried to help whenever i can i have leveled several professions (jc,scribe,mining skinning,enchanter, herbalism,alchemy and now leveling LW) and use every one of them to help the people around me. for a long time i would not even take tips because i always fiqured that it made me feel better to do it. I would literally cancel the trade so that i would not get the tip. I have only been playing about a year and a half or so. I have always enjoyed being called a noob i do not know why but i look at it like it is just a game and who really cares. odds are i will never see the person who is calling names so i do not stress about it.
Hell my son can take my hunter using my shot rotation and somehow increase dps by at least 2-3k. i don't he is younger and faster and making decisions and that is what i try to remember about most of the people playing this game.
My hats off to you and what you have done.
Yag
8:10 am
Great story and nice to know that there are real human beings playing this game. Thanks for sharing it and making me aware that this site actually had forums (herp derp) and inspiring me to take the time to register.
9:49 am
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October 29, 2010
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Great story lawman, I enjoy helping others, but I've never gone that far might in the future though. As someone else said, you're my new hero.
Garwulf said:
I just want to say…
We have an awesome assemblage of people here, don't we.
I love the vibe of this forum. Positive, and at the same time, very honest.
Makes me glad I sat down in Oct of '08 and finally decided to create this place.
Gar, I've loved this site since I found it, I never ask a question or make a dumb (to me) comment and leave feeling that I wasn't helped. This is a great group of people, and I often refer hunters to this site, especially those staring out. I think a lot of the vibe and positive attitude starts on the front page, with the help you offer people, and just your general style. Thank you for the community!
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