MM vs Surv - Page 2 - Builds, Talents and Class Mechanics - Hunter Forums

Niika said:

Loronar has a pretty solid one.  Granted he's a night elf, but hey, gotta fault him for something.  :-p

Who was it that messed around with another magic well that brought back the Burning Legion? Oh right, blood elves. Racial grudges aside, here's my spec.

Anj said:

I've been trying MM but really couldn't get the hang of the shot priority. I do well with the dummies but lose it with parties. I need more MM for Dummies stuff.

As a side note, if you are reading DPS on targetting dummies, take it with a grain of salt. Raiding dummies never fall below % health (or even 100%), so that means the Careful Aim talent will always be in effect, giving you massive crits from Aimed Shot.

Ancksanura said:

A dummies guide to MM would be good – but I the best way to get the hang of it is to practice practice practice (in parties). You can read 10 pages on MM, but that's a guide someone else wrote and the way they play, their macros/equipment all differ. So just need to go with the flow and learn new tricks, positioning, moving, timing etc and you'll be out dpsing everyone by far Before I totally sucked at PVP but now like, Rogues would own me in seconds – after many nights of PVP'ing I can kill them (though maybe the rogues I have been up against weren't the skilled of the bunch). Still saying that, I don't think I'd go MM for PVP just because I prefer the playstyle of BM – and I haz no fancy mouse with a gazillion buttons.

It's true that PvP with the rotation I introduced is very clunky, especially because Aimed Shot will not cast with Aspect of the Fox. I usually just open up with Aimed for burst and go back to the Arcane-dependent rotation, using Aimed only when Master Marksman triggers.

Probably the best boss to practice your rotation at the moment is Baron Ashbury in Shadowfang Keep. As hunters, you normally wouldn't have to worry about interrupting unless you're specifically asked to use Silencing Shot, so just DPS away. The only thing that will break the flow is Asphyxiate.

For the fight, I normally open up with Misdirect, Rapid Fire, Aimed Shot, and a pair of Steady Shot. This allows me to benefit from haste on both shots, whose cast time are affected by it. Repeat the Aimed and pair of Steadies until you see Baron reaching % health. You always want to end with a pair of Steadies so you will have enough focus for the next step. (PS. I've seen my DPS shoot up to 19k for the first few seconds because of the benefit from Careful Aim, before tapering off later.)

If you have a trinket that has an on-use effect, pop it now (mine is Skardyn's Grace). Fire off Serpent Sting and Chimera Shot right away, then go back to a pair of Steadies and Aimed until Chimera is off cooldown. Sometimes I may include a third Steady if I want to save up a bit more focus. In the chance that Baron uses Asphyxiate in the middle of your rotation, you always want Chimera to be your priority shot when coming down so Serpent Sting doesn't fall off. Go back to usual business.

How can you change this? In movement intensive fights, substitute Aimed with a pair of Arcane Shots, but feel free to use Aimed again if you are standing still. If you can, time your movements for when you can fire off instant shots.

(I usually don't bother using Readiness unless it's in a raid.)

I hope that was useful.

Takaas said:

I haven't gotten any heroic runs in since the patch yet, so I havent been able to fully check out how much my dps has increased. I did do some testing on a target dummy and I know my dps is up by 1500 to 2k there.

I'm sorry to see SV dipping that low in dps. I was hoping SV would be close to MM in dps.

Anyone gotten to fully test out how BM is doing?

I have been marks forever and in heroics on bosses i can get my dps up to 17k and im in pvp gear and still not greatly geard. so right now MM kicks but

I like MM the best, even though I tried both.

Survival was rather annoying with those frost trap procs and having to watch all those DoTs, while MM was pure dps and I could focus in kiting their *ss. >

I even heard that if in top gear, MM does 2% more damage. But if in rather average Cata greens/blues, Survival is 20% more dps.

Of course, this is from my PvP standpoint.