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Agro, honestly if you have that much ArP you should be able to switch to MM if that's what you want.  I don't even have that much ArP and I play MM and do better than any SV hunter or RET Pally that we bring on any run.  So really it's like Takaas said, play what you like and are comfortable with.

@Takaas, I tried looking you up to see how muc ArP you have, but I believe at the moment you are in PVP gear if I looked up the right you (The White Oath?).  but I run with 543 ArP and nothing that can proc for more.  I use the agility food and endless rage flask.  I didn't start running MM with nearly that much, more like 300ish, so if you have 500ish or even a little less I would say you could run MM just fine.  And either way, if you enjoy MM, tell those other people to shove off.  just my opinion. 

However, I would like to hear that you push more like 8k on average in 10man ICC and that you beat out the RET in your runs, but I don't know what your raiding gear is like so I can't say one way or the other if we could tweak it

Oh yea, that bow up'd me by about 500 DPS alone.  so definitely grab that when you can.  I'm sure your gear is fine and your ArP level is good too.  I just want you to know that when I switched at about 300ish ArP I dropped arcane shot at that time and the talents for improved arcane out of my rotation and spec.  I think it all depends on what works for you because I was playing SV before I switched of course and immediately saw an up in DPS when I did change.  not huge of course, but still an increase…

Well if you were to switch to an SV spec the way your gear is currently gemmed up, yes you would probably do a lot less DPS than you would in an MM spec.  SV all ready falls behind MM at equally itemized end level gear and on top of that ArP does almost nothing for SV as compared to what it does for MM.  Now if you were to regem for mostly Agility or Agility/Crit I think you would notice a rise in DPS in the SV spec while not noticing nearly as much of drop as you would think in the MM spec.

Just some food for thought, but how often do you have to move or shoot on the move when you raid currently?  ArP doesn't affect any of our instant shots in either spec…

Well you have a couple of pieces of pvp gear, your hit is well below the needed 8%, your stamina and intellect are basically equal, and you're in a 53/18 spec at the moment.    Because of all that, I have to assume you're in a PVP set up so I'd have to see you in your PVE set up to really make any suggestions.  Although, I will make an observation on what I'm assuming is your raiding spec of 5/59/7.  If you have 263 hit or more without the talents you've placed in Focused Aim, I would drop them into something more beneficial.  My suggestion would be two points in the BM tree in Focused Fire for sure and then your last point is kind of a floater, I prefer putting my last point in Improved Hunter's Mark, but you could leave one point in Focused Aim if you feel the pushback reduction is helpful.  I would also suggest changing the Aimed Shot glyph to the Serpent Sting Glyph.  Just my suggestions, if your spec works for you, then go with what works…

@Gar,  thanks for the clarification on Aimed Shot and Chimera Shot.  I hadn't really thought about the fact that it was physical damage, I was just thinking about how from what I had read ArP affected mostly Auto Shot and I assumed it affected Steady Shot as well since that was physical damage (should have put two and two together there ).  Both of which I knew you couldn't be moving to perform.

I do know I read a nice article here about the difference between gemming agility and ArP.  There's another article from the same site here, it's a little more in depth, but still good.  I also know that I personally had less ArP then most people when I switched to MM, about 300ish, and now I only have 543 and do just fine DPS wise.  I never gemmed for ArP at all, just agility, agility/crit, and the 10 stats meta.  I do more DPS than I would in SV, but I'm also set up to switch to SV whenever needed for the raid composition.

Agro, tried to look you up on wowheroes as well, still in your pvp gear

I see crits like that too  I'm sitting just at or just under 60% crit.  It's been a few weeks since I've been able to play so I don't have the recount meters of anything recent in front of me, but the last time I raided I'm pretty sure my Chimera's were critting around there and I know I saw a couple Kill Shots run in at the 30K mark.  I think I'm hitting between 25k and 30k pretty regularly with my KS now. 

I suppose I could make the jump to the ArP gems, but honestly I like being able to switch back and forth between MM and SV whenever I feel like it.  And I don't think it would be worth all the money to change 14 gems from agility to ArP when I'll only net a 31.57 DPS increase in optimal conditions for an ArP build.  That's just my thoughts though, it always amounts to what you are comfortable with and enjoy.