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7:13 am
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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My armory link is here: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moon+Guard&n=Niika
I'm at:
Agi – 1,813
Int – 592
Stam – 1,431
Hit – 8.81 (yes, I know over, its in my gear, not enchants or gems)
Ranged AP – 4,903
Ranged speed – 193 (5.89% haste)
Crit – 48.47% or 53.27% (can't tell which it truly is)
Arp – 316 (crap, this dropped!)
I have been fooling around at Femaledwarf.com for so long, it's making my head spin. Common rotation and with my wolf out, it says that I should be doing 4,914 dps. I'm right there on a five or six minute fight in ICC, but hell if I don't see others at my gear score pumping out 500 to 1k more than me, and i'ts frustrating the hell out of me. I can also only do about 2.5k to 3k in heroics, but i'm not a fan of volley (play on a laptop and it freaks my system out.)
Thoughts i've toyed with:
- Going all agi gems, instead of agi & agi/crit combos (FD.com says this is a dps loss for me)
- bumping up my haste (totally not sure where, as it would be a loss to either agi or crit, and I am reluctant to bring either down.)
- changing my glyphs. I am not confident that they are where they need to be with my MM spec.
I just realized while doing this my Arp dropped by 100 points. I think I should be weaving my arcane shot back into my rotation, which is another subject.
anyways, after all this rambling (just like a woman to not shut up, hey?) I would love ANY ADVICE. Gems, gear, etc (yes, I know my trinkets sucketh, such is the way of my luck with drops, folks) glyphs, rotations, macros, anything. I just expect more from myself, and feel like i'm not performing up to par.
Thank you so much,
Niik
11:46 am
Officer
May 29, 2010
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Here are my suggestions:
(1) Don't drop Arcane Shot from your rotation till about 450 ARP (ungemmed).
(2) Swap out Glyph of Hawk for Glyph of Killshot. Killshot is a heavy hitter and having it come back up faster is a bonus to your dps.
(3) Keep poking away at the heroics. Gear upgrades will help you a bunch. Things I would suggest to concentrate on are:
(a) Trinket: Needle Encrusted Scorpion: http://www.wowhead.com/item=50198
(b) Ring: Dexterous Brightstone Ring: http://www.wowhead.com/item=47730
Band of Stained Souls: http://www.wowhead.com/item=50271
Ring of Carnelian Bone: 3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wowhead.com/item=49
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(c) There are other upgrades that would help you, but the above are priorities. Keep plugging away at heroics and upgrading all your gear. You can get almost a full set of gear from just earning Triumph and Frost badges.
Some questions that pop into my head:
(1) What rotation are you using? Before I dropped Arcane from rotation I would do… Serpent Sting > Chimera > Arcane > Aimed > Steady > Steady… dropping in Killshot before Chimera when it would pop up.
When I hit 450 ARP I dropped Arcane and now do three Steady Shots at the end of the rotation. I do 7000 dps or better in raids and between 3000 and 3500 in heroics, if I dont Volley.
(2) Do you find yourself running out of mana consistently? Having to drop into Aspect of the Viper more often drops your dps. If you are having mana issues, I suggest picking up Rapid Recuperation. I still have to got Viper, but only occasionally.
I hope this all helps.
3:46 pm
Soldier
June 14, 2010
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Takaas FTW again.
7:11 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Thanks Tak, I appreciate it. Yes, I drop into Viper in between fights, however, running with some heavy hitting tanks who run fast has me in viper for most heroics.
I had glyph of kill shot before, and initially saw a burst from changing to Hawk, but I just am not seeing it now. It was also about the same time that I had some gear changes, which is when I lost all that arpen, and I see it was on my old pants now, as well as the ring. I am going to have to see what else I lost. I see that for some reason, my PVP ring is still on. I normally have the Dexterous Brightstone on, but my ready sets appear to be outdated. I do find it odd that as I upgrade to 264 gear, I dropped in DPS. I did better in T9.
What did you swap out instead of Rapid Recuperation? It kills me to move points into there, you know. Just kills me. Gonna have to sweet talk me into that one. LOL.
My shot rotation now, when I had over 400 arpen a week ago, was:
HM>(pet attack)>Serpent Sting>Chimera>Aimed>Steady>Steady, and killshot whenever it was available. I see now that unless I can recover that arpen back, I have to add arcane back in, or figure what I did to my gear to hurt me so much.
I presume that you are on Argent Dawn? Your gear score is comparable to mine, just a little bit better, so it really REALLY helps to know where I should be. I wicked appreciate it. I am going to take a look at what I replaced, get the Dexterous brightstone back on, and swap out my glyph. I am not going to try worrying about arcane until Wednesday, when I head back to ICC, unless I can't get the arpen back.
Thank you so much for the amount of work you put into your feedback, and to anyone else who is still mulling over responses, I appreciate it.
4:33 am
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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lol i'm spending too much time on this. I went in and made some of the suggestions, and will try it out later. moved my Dexterous Brightstone in for my pvp ring (that was a huge DUH on my part) and replaced my Hawk glyph with a Kill Shot glyph. I also went back and changed my glove and pants. I only have one t10 piece, and it has no armor pen, and I didn't want to break up my t9 piece. So i"m at the following:
I'm at:
Agi – was 1,813 (now 183
Int – was 592 (now 600)
Stam – was 1,431 (now 1,382)
Hit – 8.81 (yes, I know over, its in my gear, not enchants or gems) (stayed the same)
Ranged AP – 4,903 (5,682 – holy crap, is that right??!!)
Ranged speed – 193 (5.89% haste) (3.9% haste – should I be concerned by this?)
Crit – 48.47% or 53.27% (can't tell which it truly is) (now 51.59%)
Arp – 316 (crap, this dropped!) (now 475)
rotation is still at Serpent Sting>Chimera>Arcane>Aimed>Steady>Steady……
dont have time to test it at the moment, there's a pillow with my name on it, but wanted to let you know what advice i'd played with. I am still very surprised that breaking my t-9 pieces to start getting t10 resulted in lower overall agi, stam, and arpen. What appears to be a single slot upgrade, is apparently not an upgrade overall?
11:54 am
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May 29, 2010
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(1) What did you swap out instead of Rapid Recuperation?
I only have one point in Improved Hunter's Mark.
(2) Rotation is still at Serpent Sting>Chimera>Arcane>Aimed>Steady>Steady……
Find whichever works best for you.
(3) I presume that you are on Argent Dawn?
That would be correct. http://www.wowarmory.com/chara…..;cn=Takaas
(4) I am still very surprised that breaking my t-9 pieces to start getting t10 resulted in lower overall agi, stam, and arpen. What appears to be a single slot upgrade, is apparently not an upgrade overall?
I'm still running with my T-9 two piece bonus. Up until last night I also ran with T-10 two piece bonus as well. I got into Ruby Sanctum and the Hunter shoulders dropped for me. 
Something I thought of since my last reply. I use the following buff food and elixir:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=42995
http://www.wowhead.com/item=44330
Again, I would like to state that all of my advice is what is working for me. It's by no means "the law" and written in stone.
3:49 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Hey, if it's working for you, and you are doing 1-2k dps more than I am in raids, then that is why I am looking up to you for advice. 
Plus, everyone here is so nice. It's a good environment to ask for help in.
At the advice of femaledwarf.com, i'm using http://www.wowhead.com/item=42999 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=46377 (blackened dragonfin and endless rage) for my pots. I think at my arp level, i'm still doing better with agi and ap, at least that is what the spreadsheet shows, however, would love your feedback on it.
I don't have mana issues in the 25 mans, it's only in heroics, but i am going to look into rapid recuperation since I now run with so many hunters it's ridiculous.
The trinket did not drop again for me. it *always* drops when i'm on my healer, so if any hunter needs it on Moon Guard, feel free to whisper Niiky for a run. rofl
Thank you so much for confirming that you were still running with your t-9 two piece, I feel a lot better. And I'm incredibly jealous that RS dropped the shoulders for me, that is amazing.
I am also going to look into tweaking my settings on my internet. It is the only other thing I can think of. I run on a laptop, wireless network, not hardwired to modem. Another hunter suggested that that minimal difference in lag can make a huge difference over a 6 minute fight as well.
At any rate, once more, thank you so very much for your feedback. If anyone else thinks of something, please feel free to let me know. I will try anything to see what works.
8:14 pm
Officer
May 29, 2010
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(1) Those are good choices in buff food and elixir for you right now.
(2) You probably won't have mana issues in raids as you have mana regen from other classes like Ret Pallies, SV Hunters and Shamans. You dont always get that type of mana replenishment in heroic runs.
(3) Don't feel bad about the trinket. It took what seemed like forever for me to get it, but I saw it drop a bunch of times on my Pallie alt.
11:53 pm
Proprietor
June 22, 2008
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Hi Niika,
I just pulled you up in the armory and noticed you got your Needle Encrusted Scorpion. Grats.
A couple things that will really help your DPS:
- Drop Glyph of the Hawk and put Glyph of Serpent Sting in its place. ASAP. The 6 extra seconds of Serpent Sting ticks translates to added damage when Chimera hits and releases the poison DoT. I can't stress this enough… get this glyph.
- Get a 2nd pc of T10. Having both the T9 and T10 2pc bonuses will be a huge boost to your damage.
- Make sure you're using Silencing Shot every time it's available if you aren't already. Macro it with all of your shots. See my macros page for info if needed.
- Pop Rapid Fire when your NES procs to get the most benefit from it. Use an addon like Power Auras to help you with that.
Those are just a few things that come to mind.
Takaas had some good responses, so hopefully what he and I have said has proved useful to you.
10:38 am
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Hi Gar,
What a sweetie. Thank you for responding to my post as well. I noted you were on holiday. yes, Tak's been pretty instrumental. And yes, went nutty trying to get the Scorpion over the past couple of days with a couple of guild mates.
I was so torn over the Hawk/SS debate. I dont know if you saw or not, but I changed my spec back to the Agi/MM spec, taking up one point in HM since the other hunters I run with have a habit of letting it run out. I will get SS before ICC tonight. My arpen is too low now to not consider weaving arcane shot back in. I feel like I took a step back though. I am also considering moving to SV as a raiding spec until Cat.
I am *dying* to get the second t10 piece, but still shy by about 10 frosties for the least expensive. Might be able to get it tonight during the run, depending on who goes down. I forget off the top of my head which are the least expensive to pick up, and which of my gear to swap out. I'll be packing enchants and gems to be ready.
Speaking of Gems, went all agi and agi/crit to keep the agi socket bonuses, and got rid of a few crit gems and AP bonuses. Gained a bit of agility here, it looks like.
Thank you SO MUCH for your macro's page. I will be snookering those when I log back in. I had too many GL issues to handle when i went in to swap my gems at lunch.
I am an avid user of Rapid Fire and Readiness. I was not aware of Power Auras, but will download that now and try and play around with it.
Femaledwarf.com is STILL showing me at 4,870dps (it's off about 30 dps from my previous armory updates) and i'm DYING to break this 5K ceiling I am on. Wish me luck. Maybe this is really where I should be at until i can gear up and i'm just being too hard on myself.
Anyways, thank you both so much, and if you can think of anything else, feel free to let me know. As you can see, i'll try anything.
8:04 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Totally owe you guys cookies. I started the night off at 5K again… TOTALLY forgot to get my SS glyph until the end. Realized I didn't have my t9 two piece set on, and swapped gear back out (downgrade from my t10) and ended the night with 8K fights.
I think. At least that is what Skada told me. Fight logs are here, i'm still trying to figure things out, but VERY happy with the changes you guys recommended. Thank you.
11:41 am
Grunt
July 14, 2010
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Niika, I think you've probably got most everything figured out by now, especially from the looks of everything that was covered all ready. One thing I didn't notice, and maybe I skimmed through too fast, but what type of ammo are you using? I know it's kind of a duh no brainer answer, but sometimes you would be surprised. If you're not using the highes dps crafted ammo when you raid, I highly recommend that you consider making that change. I only use it for raiding unless I'm feeling a little froggy in a heroic, but most things die so fast in them now I don't really see the value in that…
1:41 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Thank you Helz, that is a great thing to bring up. I'm using the iceblades. Run with them everywhere. they are so damn cheap and as a miner, the mats are readily available.
Thank you guys so much for all of your advice. I have noticed a dramatic increase, and have one Silly Niika note to…. errr… note. I did not have my tracking turned on. Rule #1 – TRACK YOUR MOBS. I could see all the ore I wanted to, but I missed a valuable increase in dps from tracking rocks instead of blood.
hehehee… Enough said.
On the other side, I am torn about the following:
1 – Crit scope vs Haste scope
2 – Red agi gems vs Orange agi/crit gems + agi socket bonus
Female dwarf does not give me a clear answer, so figured I would toss that out to you guys. Thanks in advance.
1:51 pm
Grunt
July 14, 2010
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Go with the crit scope. I can't remember your glyphs, but you are spec'd into the improved aspect of the hawk or whatever it's called right? when that procs, it should increase your attack speed so much that the haste from the scope is lost. I'm not sure if it's just me, but mine procs a ton.
for your gem question, the female dwarf shows a slight boost fromt he agi/crit gems with socket bonus and so does a computer program called RAWR. but that's in what you want to spend money on, and again a common theme for my posts, how often you're switching between SV and MM and if you're using the same armor set.
2:31 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Hi Helz,
Thanks a boatload. To me, it was a minimal increase, so I didn't think it really made a huge difference. the funny thing is, both the crit scope and the agi/crit gems, instinctively felt right to me, but was just going on the advice of another hunter.
I am now glyphed Steady, Chimera, and Serpent sting. I have changed my glyphs so much my head is spinning. It's a riot. lol
Niika
4:47 am
Grunt
July 14, 2010
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Those are basically the same glyphs I'm using Niika. The only difference is that I use the kill shot glyph in place of the chimera glyph. I like feeling that if I would normally get two kill shots off I now get three or four off. it's usually a lot more than that, but you get what I mean. especially when they hit for so much! 
8:59 am
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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I keep swapping between Chimera and Kill and it makes my head spin. I can't decide if one is better than the other, and I am changing gear so goodarn fast right now that it's not funny. Thank god i have an inscriber. I'll try Kill again; my connection if fast enough to support Chimera, which worked fine before the changes, however, I am more than willing to try Kill again, especially since running the numbers at femaledwarf.com with your recommended change shows an increase of over 90 dps more.
Thank you!
9:11 am
Grunt
July 14, 2010
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Ahh, I think it's preference really. But I just can't help it, when I've seen my kill shots crit for an average of between 25k and 30k (if memory serves) and most of them crit (seem to think that if I get off 6, usually 4 or 5 are crits), I love seeing more of them poor in to the boss.
especially when my guild buddies think they're gonna beat me on DPS and then at the last minute I run a *kill shot/chimera/aimed -readiness- repeat* on them and jump ahead at the finish line…good for a laugh for me anyways, not them so much, but you know how that goes.
10:17 am
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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…I do love my crits (see my whine about my gem change to all agi) so I really want to try the Kill Shot and see how it goes. Now, trying to talk 24 other people to extend our ICC run this week… sober.
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