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12:09 pm
Hi Everyone,
I am fairly new to this site and this is my first post. I have been reading alot of the topics here which are very helpful. I have been SV hunter for a long time now and I am so used to it. However, I have been hearing alot that I should be MM however, I think I was doing pretty good as SV. Now we do have a MM hunter in my guild that I run with but his GS is alot higher then mine. So of course he is doing more damage then me at this point but when he is not around I am usually top of the chart. His GS is almost 5900 and mine is still 5517. I was considering switching to MM to see how I do but I was worried that I would do less damage then I am now. All my gear is Agility. I am hit capped and YES I am using that crappy trinket which put me way over hit cap 
But I can't seem to find anything to replace it with. /sigh. Here is my info: http://www.wowarmory.com/chara…..C3%B6m I would love any advice you can give me. It is greatly appreciated. Basically I want to know if I should switch to MM and if so is my gear ok for it? If not what should I change? And is Arm pen important for me right now? I would just hate to change out all my Agility gems and then if for some reason I don't do well with MM and switch back to SV I will have to replace all my gems again which I am trying to avoid since it is so costly.
Thanks in advance!
12:55 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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Can't see your armory page, the link done gone broke itself.
Never base the time to switch to MM off of Gear Score, ever, that is the worst way to base any spec decision actually, as GS does not necessarily mean you have the stats for whatever you are trying to do.
Now with that mini rant out of the way…
The switch to MM can be considered around 4000 AP, 35% crit and a iLevel 226 or higher weapon(This is the make or break right here), all of the stats unbuffed, with DHawk off.
As for ArP(Since I cannot see your armory), do you have 
0 from gear alone? Are you a JC/BS? If you answered no to the first, but yes to the second, hold off until you are at 0, if you answered no to both, don't bother gemming ArP until around 900-950 or higher if you answered yes to the first but no to the second, 900-950, yes to both, go right ahead, provided you aren't gimping your other stats too severely.
And relative DPS values between you and the other hunter would be helpful.
1:02 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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ARGGGGH!!!! this sucks.
that is the armory link. Basically, I agree with Indo, and want to know what you want to do with your game time?
1:06 pm
Hmmm I am trying to edit my post so I can try and past the wowarmory link again but can't figure out where the edit post button is. Can't seem to get the link to post correctly in this post. But I will check my stats and compare them with what you all suggested.
1:15 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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Mmm, ok, this is less of a should you switch to MM and more of a general tips thing, you have the stats to consider the switch if you want to do it, be warned, it is no magical increase, you do have to take the time to train yourself to get into the rhythm of using it.
First, meta gem, Chaotic Skyflare is a major no no, the only meta a hunter should use is RED, or Relentless Earthsiege Diamond, second, something of extension of number one, is that you only ever want one blue gem, and that's actually the Nightmare Tear, and since it is prismatic, it counts as all colours, no matter what socket it is put in. Third, you could easily replace both of your trinkets, since the PvP one isn't that great for you either, now you have 4 very easy to obtain options, Number 1: Mirror of Truth, it's solid and will last until you get something better, Number 2: Banner of Victory, another solid trinket, fairly easy to farm, if a little time consuming, Number 3(And IMO the best of the bunch) Darkmoon Card: Greatness(Agility version of course), easily one of the best trinkets out there for a new hunter as it will easily hold you over until DBW/STS/WFS, and number 4, Needle Encrusted Scorpion, it's decent and better than MoT.
1:15 pm
Ok I checked and hopefully I am seeing the correct thing… I am not buffed…
My AP shows 5648
Crit chance 53.20%
All 3 of my weapons (2 axes & my bow) are all iLevel 251
And I am not sure where I would find my Arm pen info at. I didn't seem to see it anywhere.
1:31 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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Mmm, shoulda clarified that it was only the ranged weapon that matters when it comes to comparing the iLevel, melee weapons are just for stats.
Armory has taken to showing your buffed stats if you logged out with buffs on, including things like DHawk.
To find your ArP hover over hit rating.
1:56 pm
Officer
September 8, 2010
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I'm no hunter master yet, just a bad mofo on the rise, but I would like to know how much difference the MM hunter has over you in regards to damage? I'm with Indo, Gear Score is no proof of skill or betterness (yes it's a word Niika, I looked it up), I typically outperform peeps with highers GS's than I do, it's all how you perform, and as has been said how the stats on the gear actually apply to your job. Anywho, if the damage is not that much different and you are already kicking tail as a SV hunter and enjoy it, from what I understand the damage difference between the two really isn't that great at the higher levels anyways, stay SV.
Plus, I think someone mentioned that just changing won't be an automatic increase to your damage, thus you're going to have to basically relearn your job to get the peak performance that you're looking for anyways.
2:01 pm
Indomitus said:
Mmm, shoulda clarified that it was only the ranged weapon that matters when it comes to comparing the iLevel, melee weapons are just for stats.
Armory has taken to showing your buffed stats if you logged out with buffs on, including things like DHawk.
To find your ArP hover over hit rating.
Yea I didn't get the stats info from wowarmory. I actually logged into the game and made sure I took off my aspects and buffs. So the stats I listed above are all unbuffed. And I just saw my arm pen and it is VERY low. No where even close to 0. 
I am guessing that is because I am specced SV and don't really need it very much. My arm pen shows as 291. /sigh
2:03 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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The difference between MM and the other two specs at high end(Particularly where I'm at) is actually rather significant, 10-15% DPS difference, which in a game where people min/max for 1% increases, that's enormous.
2:42 pm
So do you think it is a wise decision to switch to MM since my arm pen is only a mere 291?
3:12 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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I don't remember mentioning a ArP requirment to go MM, just an ArP requirement to switch to ArP gemming.
6:20 pm
Lodge Muse
July 3, 2010
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Lady, that is why I asked what you were gearing for. As Indo said, Arpen is not a requirement to go marksman. You can also run an agility build as well, which is where I am at. It all depends on what you prefer to run, and frankly, I am not at Indo's level and spend way too much time policing guild and raid members to be effective at his level. So, I enjoy my agi MM spec, very much, and run with that.
Your armor penetration level, however, is at the point where you need to consider if Arcane shot should be woven into your rotation for the betterness (yes, Drach, I know it's a word, trounce on your IQ and raise you five…) of your dps levels.
I also would like to know why you are considering the switch, where you are in dps, overall damage, and how you stack up to the other hunters in the raid.
6:55 am
Niika said:
As Indo said, Arpen is not a requirement to go marksman. You can also run an agility build as well, which is where I am at.
This basically what I did. I was SV spec, and just not happy with my dps output. I decided to try MM and see what happened. Whats funny is that I tried an agility based MM spec and it was only marginally better than SV. I then tried an ArP MM spec but stayed gemmed for agi and wham, dps jumped up by a good 1k to 1.5k on average. Strange, aint it? Anyways, after doing that, then coming here and getting some good advice from Gar about stacking cooldowns and such, I got another 1.5k dps jump. This enabled me to get into ICC, and now I am doing 7.5k – 8k boss dps in ICC on average, at a 5581gs.
Here's my armory if anyone wants to see what I've done so far with my MM spec. Maybe it can help the OP.
http://www.wowarmory.com/chara…..cn=Grolnar
P.S. Just a note, I will be taking the point out of Focused Aim and putting it in Improved Hunter's Mark.
7:28 am
Officer
May 28, 2010
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The first question that popped into my head is the same that Niika asked. How much of a difference in dps is there between you and the other Hunter, Lady?
My recommendation is don't switch to MM just because "its what everyone else is doing". If you like SV, keep at it. Look in to ways you might improve on your spec. I play MM because I like all the different shots the spec gets, not because its the new "uber" dps spec. Like Niika, I'm a agility MM. The SV Hunter in my raid usually is right on my heels or passes me in dps.
12:20 pm
Jedi
August 1, 2010
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The main difference aside from FA between most MM specs is whether they have Imp Arcane or not, check a spreadsheet to make sure, but generally around 350-400 is a good range to aim to drop Imp Arcane and only use Arcane when moving.
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