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6:59 am
December 11, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

ok ever since spirit beasts came out ive aimed to do one raid fully BM … ofc i always get told off my fellow officers to go back MM or SV >.> but with arcturis out and tamed on patch day i just wanted to stay BM again D: so my guild says they will let me if 1. i manage to find or make a good specc 2. manage to pull same dps in BM as i do in MM ><

i know alot will comment and say im fighting a loosing battle here but meh duel specc ftw :3 and i dont like having all the spirit beasts and not getting to use them : /

so i thought 51/17/3 might be nice as it would have improved tracking and aimed shot

http://www.wowarmory.com/talen…..0000000000

but 54/15/2 could be ok to…. still has aimed shot and improved tracking

http://www.wowarmory.com/talen…..0000000000

then someone from my realm said try 53/11/7 no aimed shot though

http://www.wowarmory.com/talen…..0000000000

so they are my 3 choices atm unless anyone here as any better BM pve speccs cas i already have a good pvp one :3

but ill help out a little my armory link:- http://eu.wowarmory.com/charac…..mp;n=Koroo

[if it still shows no back or ring i have the icc 25 man back from the gunship fight +90agi <3 and i have the friendly rep right from the new faction that i forgot the name of already xD]

and i also have healers that will heal my pet in raids and what not if thats any use to anyone when making a specc or helping a nab huntard out

tyvm in advance anyways if anyones able to help me i know MM is much better then BM but a girl loves her pets :D

2:35 pm
December 11, 2009


Garwulf

USA

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Hi Koroo,

My advice would be to do some playing around with Zehera's DPS Analyzer, but out of your three proposed builds, I'd say #3 looks the best. Personally, I get more bang from 5/5 Mortal Shots than I do 2/2 Survival Instincts, but I suggest trying out different builds in the spreadhseet and check the results.

There'll be some variations depending upon your stats and ranged weapon, so go with what offers you the "highest possible" dps.

This might help too: http://huntsmanslodge.com/the-…..st-mastery

2:58 am
December 15, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

i looked at your links and messed about with speccs but in all fairness aimed shot is kinda needed there are mobs that like to heal themselves maybe mostly trash but better to kill them faster right?

so after hours of messing about with speccs and gems i found 53/18/0 to be most effictive right now i dont know if its just cas of my gear of the hc's ive been BM in just had REALLY bad dps'ers but with the new lfg system you do end up boosting 2 of the dps anyways D: 

rotation;

aimed shot

serpent sting

arcane shot

steady shot … you can normally get three of these in then aimed > arcane and only do your sting when debuff over

my stats are not the best if you looked at my armory link above /hides but i will admit i really like my gear since the new stuffs only been out a week and well i dont want instance gear i only do raids … i prefer to work for my gear then just 'get' it [no offence!]

ofc my dps bm pet is one of the four spirit beasts i own … although ive heard some do more damage then others even if they are specc'ed the same if anyone could confirm that for me would be nice cas right now im just using [duraq] arcturis so i havent tested it out myself yet but if you did go on my link youll find my new bm specc and my pets specc's yeah for raids people tell me to use cower and heart of the phoenix … but do we really need that eah maybe if you have tanks with lower tps or healers who dont have pets on grid :S

like only time i use cower is when i totally out gear a tank 

4:56 am
December 22, 2009


Hesson

California

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posts 2

I've written a post regarding BM hunters as I've played one for a while now, you can check it out here:

http://www.thespiritbeast.com/post/2/

If off-site linking is a no-no I apologize and will remove this!

2:06 pm
December 22, 2009


Garwulf

USA

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Hesson said:

I've written a post regarding BM hunters as I've played one for a while now, you can check it out here:

http://www.thespiritbeast.com/post/2/

If off-site linking is a no-no I apologize and will remove this!


You're fine Hesson. ;)

Nice looking site btw.

5:15 pm
December 22, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

one thing i dont understand ….glyph of the hawk? really? people actually use that :s ap by 155 when dragonhawk gives you 300 ap and 18% dodge yeah glyph of the hawk gives 6% haste but tbh is it worth it?

glyph wise in BM i have beastial wrath, serpent sting, steady shot / mend pet, feign death, scare beast

ok scare beast could be something better but i have healers who look after my pets as much as i do so it dies when i die

like i havent stack AP like i should of in my gear but i dont wanna be a loot whore and take that gear again just to regem it a lil different … ofc my guild sadly would cas they know i hate MM even if you can do 9k dps off nothing in it :(

5:25 pm
December 22, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

deleted as i double posted xD

4:59 pm
December 23, 2009


Kraenok

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posts 3

I've been a BM Hunter forever…

I'm also a mad crazy number crunching looney with too much time on my hands.

The following is my armory spec / gear with a couple caveats before you all blast me to kingdom come.

I KNOW my hit is 330, I just got the gloves last night, and was to tired to regem and look for replacements for other pieces yet.

The spec is what we're looking at here anyhow…

http://www.wowarmory.com/chara…..Ton+Hammer

Yes, it's 55/14/2 and I have reasoning and math to back it all up, and would be happy to answer anything I can on why my spec looks retarded (but in my opinion really isn't). I only raid 10man with my guild, and mana can become an issue. If you're swimming in mana, yank the 3 out of Cobra Strikes and 1 out of invigoration and slap into "more damage" talents.

As far as the question on glyph of the hawk is concerned it can be a BIG difference for a BM hunter. Autoshots as BM pull close to 40%-45% of your personal damage (at least mine). Haste is not useless for us by any means, but you should never chase it either.This spec over the past few weeks has been netting me 6.5k-7k on koralon in 25m for reference for yourself but as always there's catches.

This setup and my rotation are HUGELY ArP dependant. I'm running 38% ArP before the trinket goes off and gives me 44% more. Physical shots hit HARD, and multishot is a staple of my rotation. Through testing I looked at aimed, but for me, the damage was about equal on a single target, and multi can hit 3 so I go with more damage.

BM can be viable, don't let anyone tell you otherwise…

8:30 pm
December 23, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

tbh i looked at your specc but one thing i dont like about it no aimed shot :p

and i know haste is the 'thing' atm but i really dont wanna be a loot whore [as i said before] to have a BM and a MM set of gear like im a engi so theres some nice haste on gloves and ofc i have teh haste trinket then theres this mana issue some BM hunters have … so i tested it me and a friends had the same specc same specced pet and he had 12k mana i have 13k mana … same rotation and everything …. he oom'ed in seconds and i managed a good while before going oom yeah i a belf and he was a orc but tbh that torrent isnt that much mana :s

idk if its my timing or what but i dont seem to have a mana problem so i had ago of BM in uldar 10 before we got to our HMs for teh quest for algalon so all were in messed up speccs or on alts i did a steady 5k on each boss ofc then it came to HM's then back to 9k i almost hit 10k :s

so after the raid i was talking to my very good hunter friend asking if i could do something to ofc get my BM dps higher … same old thing change gems blah blah blah .. in BM 5.1k AP 358 haste 830 crit …. tbh to me they sound like nice BM stats and ofc in my specc i still have aimed shot and gget improved stings

though i must say kraenok i would really liek to try your specc out :D

4:53 am
December 24, 2009


Kraenok

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posts 3

Aimed vs. Multi is extremely situational. I raid, but haven't done everything. i hit naxx 10/25, most of uld 10, front of uld 25, 10 ToC, and 10 ICC. Through that there's only TWO fights where Aimed Shot is a benefit

1) Champions Fight – 10 TOC: I have aimed in my PvP spec, which I change to for that fight anyhow

2) Saurfang – ICC: I raid with a Mortal Strike Warrior, so it wasn't necessary

My issue with putting a point there is it's the same damage as a multi (as aimed is physical and thus scales with armor pen as well) which you can have without spending a point that can be used to pimp thy damage elsewhere.

If you want it by all means take it, it just isn't necessary or worth the point for me.

5:38 pm
December 27, 2009


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

actually its used in ToGC to on last boss due to his self healing

but anyways i messed about and currently trying a BM specc without it

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent…..eVb:VbizMV

ofc i tested this in ToGC10 in MM gear gems etc

i only had to change to MM for 2 fights due to our setup the faction champs and ofc last boss i was 3rd in dps over all which was nice 4.7k-5k

on current data i was 5.8k-6k+ which was ok since it was a hc and i hadnt gotten use to the specc without aimed shot : /

5:29 am
December 28, 2009


Kraenok

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posts 3

Having a look at the spec you tried, it's a good place to start, there's a couple things I noticed that can get you a little more oomph.

1) You only need 3 in Frenzy (currently 4/5). Through mass testing myself, and the testing done over at EJ, 3 points will keep it up almost permanently. Any more causes overlap and is a point you can slap elsewhere for more damagey goodness

2) Unless your pet is really focus starved (meaning you have very low crit) you also really only need 1 point in GftT (currently 2/2)

That buys 2 points to play with. I'd suggest Improved Tracking for the 2% overall damage.

Also, for getting used to no aimed shot take multishot in this spec and put it on your bar where aimed used to be (muscle memory is your friend) and keep smiting like it's business as usual. If you REALLY miss aimed, take one of the 2 spare points and slap it in aimed. You CAN have your cake and eat it too.

8:08 pm
January 3, 2010


Koroo

auchindoun-eu

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posts 9

well i have 44.09% crit… so i could always swap points about but tbh this specc i got atm is going really nice i did a fast icc 10 man today and meh yeah i think on the last boss my dps sucked again on current data i was doing 6k on bosses and on trash lol … i /afk that mess but tbh aimed is nice when you see it decreased the healing by 50% and increased the ranged dmg… meh i guess i got to use to it and duh lol ofc i have it where aimed is lol you think id just leave it out? xD

ive talked to my guild about trying new speccs ofc im one of their top so tbh it comes down to can we loose a lil dps to have more fun atm most my gear tbh … i dont need and ofc the re gemming shizzle comes up everyday with fellow hunters on my realm and asking why i use a haste trik over the ap one … hmm 2 rapid fires?

and i dont miss it its just always been a nice talent to have open muti > sting > arcane > steady x3 > aimed >arcane etc. that lil extra dmg was nice for kill shot imo

idk my guild came round to the BM side latly and since my guild still lack hunters any unwanted mail goes to me incase i find it more useful over my MM gear for BM means bye bye wrong stupid gems >:D

cas i could replace some og that agi for ap gems now and then … but i do love my agi …. : / bad habits die hard >< 4855 ap is nice atm though [unbuffed] and i will miss 1724 agi … lucky i have a jcer huh >< this stupid specc starting to cost me to much daily xD

meh since my week away from all things wow i guess another mess about before new icc content is out wont hurt … bah i guess i better do these things …. 'dailies' everyone keeps going on about them :s


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