Hunters now excelling in BGs? - Hunter PvP Discussion - Hunter Forums

I know a many of you have always been PvPing and enjoying it, regardless of what the WoW community might've been saying about Hunters being "the worst PvP class" or whatever- we know that's not necessarily been true, but I think we'd all agree we've had out shortcomings- but recently someone I know who is a healer in BGs on a daily basis said Hunters are one of the top classes now?

Did I miss something specific, or is she just seeing really good players? I'm not sure anything happening in WoW right now will be enough to truly spark my interest enough to spend a bunch of time & effort on it again, but I'm curious.

Should I just go re-read Gar's BM PvP post and go give it a shot again? I've got a full Season 10 gear set with a few Season 11 pieces mixed in so far.

Again, just curious- I've always been primarily PvE/Raiding focused. I'm well aware we all play and enjoy the game for many different reasons, and what's fun for some may not be for others

For some mysterious reason I can't upload any images to the site. Maybe it's not mysterious and I just missed something since Gar has been working on the site. I took Screens of 7 Randoms I ran today-yeah 7,  sick or what? Anyhow they would perhaps help answer your question Oz. Natch I'd only upload the" best" 3 for the professionals to mock, but hey I am what I am   Odds are decent you'd be trying PvP faster than you can type "mediocre"

Gar-did you read the comments on BRK's post? People crack me up.

I've done a fair amount of Hunter PVP and enjoyed and was probably best (well, read not the worst) when I was in MM spec. A lot of times I think it comes down to what role you tend to play within any given bg. I tend to be a flag chaser/defender in the flag bgs or a node guard in resource driven bgs. Hunters have good tools for both those jobs.

Was a time I'd be minding my own business and suddenly I was dead. Feral cat or a rogue, every time. But then I adopted Gar's anti-rogue macro and now I run around spamming that macro. Stealth hunting is fun, and it always shocks the bejeesus out of them. I don't care if I can't one shot them. They suffer my arcane and concussive shots till they stop dead in their tracks.

On defense, I tend to be very active with flares and traps, all the while patroling aound stealth hunting. I'm sure my team mates can't understand why I run around in such random patterns, but when that HM illuminates the bad guys they understand real quick.

I suppose I could do the same things in BM spec. My pet would have a bit more impact I guess. And he'd be a chimera with that frosty breath attack or a ravager to net them and poison them at the same time. Hmmm… might do some bgs again…

Cheers,

D

Khasar

Though I'm fairly new to PvP, 7 months actually, I've learned a few things.

Unfortunately a lot of the information regarding how to handle rogues is outdated. Also a lot of it is crap. You may have read that a hunter should never lose to a rogue. Tell that to the rogue, especially a good one. I've went up against 1700+ rated rogues and it was pitiful. That piece of tripe is essentially related to duels and yes, if you're good you'll take them-if you're good. Sadly there are a lot more good rogues than good hunters it seems. If you're constantly hearing about how OP we are, which we aren't after level 40, armory the person typing that. Especially if it's a Hunter. A lot of PvP Hunters are fantastic in trade chat but not so much in actual PvP I'm learning. That's not specific to hunters but I don't care about what other classes say. I've killed quite a few trade chat PvP experts in duels and I suck.

Anyhow, rogues received some powerful buffs in the last big patch rendering information from even 6-7 mos ago somewhat useless as you're finding out.

For BG's you may want to try the following things against rogues, ferals too. If you do pick them up with a target macro prior to them getting on you, fire a concussive shot. I use the CS glyph in BG's a fair amount. This slows their speed down or makes them burn a cd. You may not want to send the pet in at that time but if you do, pull him back if the rogue vanishes. If your pet gets on him, pop intimidation and unload. You may take him out right then and there-slim but happens.

That being said, 99% of the time the rogue will get on you. For a BG, I've found using ice trap which you get @ 46 better than Freezing Trap. I rarely use Freezing in a BG anyhow given odds are your target has or will have a DoT on him/her wasting your trap. Side note, don't forget to fire an occasional tranq shot on ferals-especially if they're in bear form.

So,you can do a couple things assuming the rogue does get on you. If you're stationary drop an ice trap slightly behind you, he nails you, trink, disengage, fire a concussive shot then fervor to max your focus, BW and unload on them. They can't blast through ice trap. You can also use your explosive at the same time until you get snake trap, anything to slow them down. The entire point is to gain range and as BM we have less cc tools than the MM spec against rogues but we have a killer damage burst. Also never stop moving once you've done all of this. Keep out of range-it's hard but you'll do it. If any Hunter spec stops moving, they die.

Another option instead of laying the trap is when they get on you, trink, ice trap, disengage, concussive, fervor, BW and unload. Fervor is optional in sequence. We munch through focus pretty quick and at lower level have no Aspect of the Fox so you're going to be using it either before you blow your major BW cd or in it or after. Just make sure you use it at the optimum time.

I've not mentioned scatter shot as odds are the rogue will vanish right about when you're about to finish them off in the 1st scenario(thx Blizz) so you want to have that available for the next round. Maybe keep your pet on passive and manually control the attack or make sure you can pull it if you have it on assist. Your pet will burn up its speed on the initial attack and as BM that's death against a rogues speed burst as it leaves our pet in the dust.

None of this is sequentially written in stone. Sometimes I pop a scatter ice shot macro instead as my lead off. If they evade, you have a 25% miss chance though.

I do not use Freezing trap in BG's often, that's about the only constant.  You're going to have to practice a lot if you want to be even half-assed decent as a PvP hunter. As you move up , we get weaker and weaker against a lot of the classes. Sad but true.

Lastly forget most of those spiffy vids of hunters 'owning' other classes in duels or wherever. Duels have dick to do with BG's or Arena where you are rarely if ever one on one. Just remember, us Hunters are the Target Dummies of PvP. Plus the vast majority of them are out of date and do not explain what they're doing. Duels are okay for practice but preferably with a pal.

So ends this ramble. Give some of it a whirl. You're dying anyhow so it can't hurt.  G'luck.

On re-reading my original response, it sounds kind of ornery. Wasn't meant to. That hunters are 'broken' in PvP isn't news. We're the least represented class in upper level PvP for a reason but mastering or trying to master the class in PvP is a fun challenge and when you start to get a handle on it we're quite deadlly in BG's or Arena and can drive a lot of other "mash button 3 and 4" classes nuts. Just takes a lot of damn work and Blizzard really did in my opinion drop the ball on hunters in PvP. But hey, if you want easy play a DK or as I refer to them as "Monkeys with Pointy Sticks"   S'truth, armory me and look at what I named my pet monkey. Oh the rage I've caused wandering around with that pet….lol

One last suggestion would be that if you're going to run as BM, go all out ferocity with a Spirit Beast and inflct maximum damage which we can do and given so much of our damage is from the pet, it's kinda what we're built to do. Our burst if executed properly is impressive. Using a cunning or tenacity in my opinion takes away enormously from that and relegates us to average Damage dealers and average CC'ers. If I was so inclined and wanted an optimum PvP hunter on the Alliance side I'd go Human with MM spec and use a monkey. I'm lazy and into self-abuse though. Besides I love Spirit Beasts