Comments on: Why BM Hunters Should Try a Chimera http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm A site for WoW Hunters :: News, Information, Resources and more Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Garwulf http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1902 Garwulf Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:31:49 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1902 Yeah, that's really bizarre Grimstrider. There's really no way a gorilla should even be close, let alone above a Chimaera in DPS. Cunning pets have 3 DPS talents available to them that tenacity doesn't have. All of which would make a difference in training dummy DPS. Plus... Pummel doesn't even do damage. Even if you had Froststorm Breath turned off the Chimaera should still smoke the gorilla. Interesting... Yeah, that’s really bizarre Grimstrider. There’s really no way a gorilla should even be close, let alone above a Chimaera in DPS. Cunning pets have 3 DPS talents available to them that tenacity doesn’t have. All of which would make a difference in training dummy DPS. Plus… Pummel doesn’t even do damage.

Even if you had Froststorm Breath turned off the Chimaera should still smoke the gorilla. Interesting…

]]> By: Grimstrider http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1880 Grimstrider Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:23:40 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1880 PS: I had all ablities but cower and growl active (double-checked). I had HM, AotD active and fired only Arcane and Steady + BW (glyphed). PS: I had all ablities but cower and growl active (double-checked). I had HM, AotD active and fired only Arcane and Steady + BW (glyphed).

]]> By: Grimstrider http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1879 Grimstrider Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:25:21 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1879 There must be something wrong with either recount or the training dummies. I got these results after a2 min test (these are just the ones i recorded for this purpose, I had the same results over and over before): Chimera 390 DPS (29%) Gorilla 539 DPS (35%)! Hyena 789 (45%) Strange, huh? There must be something wrong with either recount or the training dummies. I got these results after a2 min test (these are just the ones i recorded for this purpose, I had the same results over and over before):
Chimera 390 DPS (29%)
Gorilla 539 DPS (35%)!
Hyena 789 (45%)
Strange, huh?

]]> By: Garwulf http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1871 Garwulf Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:29:28 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1871 Hmmm.... half the DPS sounds a bit too much. A lot would depend upon the talent placement. My Chimaera is still really doing nice damage, so either your talents could be a little off for max DPS, or you're just getting some bad pet RNG. Also, keep in mind that the pet dps should be lower. It's the overall damage, Hunter + Pet, that counts here. I haven't done too many in-depth pet dps comparisons for awhile now. Mainly since I decided to raid as MM. However, for BM, Devilsaur is still the reigning champ, with wolves not far behind. Chimareas are a good pet, but if you're not having mana issues, a Cunning pet is going to hurt your DPS. Hmmm…. half the DPS sounds a bit too much. A lot would depend upon the talent placement.

My Chimaera is still really doing nice damage, so either your talents could be a little off for max DPS, or you’re just getting some bad pet RNG.

Also, keep in mind that the pet dps should be lower. It’s the overall damage, Hunter + Pet, that counts here.

I haven’t done too many in-depth pet dps comparisons for awhile now. Mainly since I decided to raid as MM. However, for BM, Devilsaur is still the reigning champ, with wolves not far behind.

Chimareas are a good pet, but if you’re not having mana issues, a Cunning pet is going to hurt your DPS.

]]> By: Grimstrider http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1870 Grimstrider Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:55:48 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1870 Did they nerf chimeras now? My chimera only does half the DPS compared to my hyena on a training dummy :( Did they nerf chimeras now? My chimera only does half the DPS compared to my hyena on a training dummy :(

]]> By: Trackerbr - Warsong http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1191 Trackerbr - Warsong Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:47:35 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1191 It's great that synergy, we help us a lot. Two greats blogs from two great players. =) It’s great that synergy, we help us a lot. Two greats blogs from
two great players. =)

]]> By: Shaedon http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1188 Shaedon Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:25:42 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1188 Yeah, I understand. Real world testing (even on target dummies) is something that is beneficial to everyone. The deeper understanding of a class is very important. And discussion and controversy is what makes blogs and topics more interesting. Yeah, I understand. Real world testing (even on target dummies) is something that is beneficial to everyone. The deeper understanding of a class is very important. And discussion and controversy is what makes blogs and topics more interesting.

]]> By: Garwulf http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1187 Garwulf Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:02:24 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1187 I understand what you're saying about top dps pets and spreadhseets. My intention wasn't to claim that Chimeras were going to be the end-all-be-all of DPS pets for BM Hunters. I was mainly sharing my experience, as I never use spreadsheets or spend much time with theorycrafting. In fact, that test was probably the closest thing to theorycrafting I've done. I know the target dummies aren't intended to be a truly accurate gauge for DPS. Aside from lacking raid buffs, target dummy testing is an "ideal dps" situation. However, it is a way to test things nonetheless. I pew-pewed one while using a different pet each time, and the Chimera just happened to outperform the others. Results may vary, and I wasn't exclaiming that every Hunter should raid with one, just that I was going to based on what I'd witnessed. The titles of my posts are intended to garner attention and possibly stir controversy. One of my goals is to get people to think for themselves, as opposed to just following the herd. Most Hunters do just that and end up sucking balls, because they go with what's supposedly the top DPS spec/pet, but don't know the first thing about using the combo effectively. I try things based on what I think is an effective use of talents, synergies, etc. So far it's worked for me. :) I'll definitely check out your pet DPS chart though. Thanks for the link. I understand what you’re saying about top dps pets and spreadhseets. My intention wasn’t to claim that Chimeras were going to be the end-all-be-all of DPS pets for BM Hunters. I was mainly sharing my experience, as I never use spreadsheets or spend much time with theorycrafting. In fact, that test was probably the closest thing to theorycrafting I’ve done.

I know the target dummies aren’t intended to be a truly accurate gauge for DPS. Aside from lacking raid buffs, target dummy testing is an “ideal dps” situation. However, it is a way to test things nonetheless. I pew-pewed one while using a different pet each time, and the Chimera just happened to outperform the others. Results may vary, and I wasn’t exclaiming that every Hunter should raid with one, just that I was going to based on what I’d witnessed.

The titles of my posts are intended to garner attention and possibly stir controversy. One of my goals is to get people to think for themselves, as opposed to just following the herd. Most Hunters do just that and end up sucking balls, because they go with what’s supposedly the top DPS spec/pet, but don’t know the first thing about using the combo effectively.

I try things based on what I think is an effective use of talents, synergies, etc. So far it’s worked for me. :)

I’ll definitely check out your pet DPS chart though. Thanks for the link.

]]> By: Shaedon http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1186 Shaedon Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:55:15 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1186 With raid buffs the Chimera is not the best pet for PvE. Every single Ferocity pet will out DPS the Chimera. Chimera is the best Cunning pet though. I would believe Shandara's Spreadsheet before some testing done on a target dummy, no offense. The Ferocity tree still has the most DPS talents available to it, so as long as you do not get sidetracked with PvP talents, Ferocity pets will outperform. If you want to see the DPS of each pet, go to the bottom of my BM PvE page, linked below. http://thehuntersrefuge.blogspot.com/2009/04/beast-mastery-hunter-pve.html With raid buffs the Chimera is not the best pet for PvE.

Every single Ferocity pet will out DPS the Chimera. Chimera is the best Cunning pet though.

I would believe Shandara’s Spreadsheet before some testing done on a target dummy, no offense.

The Ferocity tree still has the most DPS talents available to it, so as long as you do not get sidetracked with PvP talents, Ferocity pets will outperform.

If you want to see the DPS of each pet, go to the bottom of my BM PvE page, linked below.

http://thehuntersrefuge.blogspot.com/2009/04/beast-mastery-hunter-pve.html

]]> By: Garwulf http://huntsmanslodge.com/1767/why-bm-hunters-should-use-a-chimera.htm#comment-1181 Garwulf Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:36:15 +0000 http://huntsmanslodge.com/?p=1767#comment-1181 My spec right now in live is this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#ctbMzttRfu0est0eVso When I tested my pets on the PTR I wasn't specced into IAotH. Ultimately I'll probably go back to this spec as BM: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#cVbRztgRwu0ekt0eVso I really like that spec for PvP. "Can you link your spec and actualize your Macros session ??????" I wasn't using any macros when I tested my pets, if that's what you're asking. If you're curious about any of the macros I use, I list them on another page in the site. http://huntsmanslodge.com/macros My spec right now in live is this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#ctbMzttRfu0est0eVso

When I tested my pets on the PTR I wasn’t specced into IAotH. Ultimately I’ll probably go back to this spec as BM:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#cVbRztgRwu0ekt0eVso

I really like that spec for PvP.

“Can you link your spec and actualize your Macros session ??????”

I wasn’t using any macros when I tested my pets, if that’s what you’re asking. If you’re curious about any of the macros I use, I list them on another page in the site.

http://huntsmanslodge.com/macros

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